Comments on: Magnetic Migraine Miracle Madness? http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2006/06/magnetic-migraine-miracle-madness.html Experiments and Thoughts on Quackery, Health Beliefs and Pseudoscience Thu, 09 Feb 2012 21:47:47 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Thiezz http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2006/06/magnetic-migraine-miracle-madness.html#comment-12824 Thiezz Fri, 29 Oct 2010 02:16:42 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2006/06/magnetic-migraine-miracle-madness.html#comment-12824 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cranial_electrotherapy_stimulation Effectiveness At present, there are over 125 research studies on CES in humans and 29 experimental animal studies. The overwhelming majority of the scientific research is extremely positive.[citation needed] No significant lasting side effects have been reported.[citation needed] Harvard University School of Public Health, Department of Health Policy and Management found: "The meta-analysis of anxiety showed CES to be significantly more effective than sham (P<.05)."[5] A meta-analysis has been performed investigating the effectiveness of CES in the treatment of anxiety, depression, insomnia and the retention rates of newly abstinent substance abuse individuals in community-based residential treatment[5][6][7][8]. However, most studies cited as evidence for its effectiveness failed to report all data necessary for meta-analysis. - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcranial_magnetic_stimulation#FDA_actions_and_responses The user manual for the device warns that effectiveness has not been established in patients with major depressive disorder who have failed to achieve satisfactory improvement from zero and from two or more antidepressant medications in the current episode and that the device has not been studied in patients who have had no prior antidepressant medication Heaven forbid we are going to end up with devices costing a 100 dollars solving headaches and depressions! -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cranial_electrotherapy_stimulation

Effectiveness

At present, there are over 125 research studies on CES in humans and 29 experimental animal studies. The overwhelming majority of the scientific research is extremely positive.[citation needed] No significant lasting side effects have been reported.[citation needed]

Harvard University School of Public Health, Department of Health Policy and Management found: “The meta-analysis of anxiety showed CES to be significantly more effective than sham (P<.05)."[5]

A meta-analysis has been performed investigating the effectiveness of CES in the treatment of anxiety, depression, insomnia and the retention rates of newly abstinent substance abuse individuals in community-based residential treatment[5][6][7][8].

However, most studies cited as evidence for its effectiveness failed to report all data necessary for meta-analysis.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcranial_magnetic_stimulation#FDA_actions_and_responses

The user manual for the device warns that effectiveness has not been established in patients with major depressive disorder who have failed to achieve satisfactory improvement from zero and from two or more antidepressant medications in the current episode and that the device has not been studied in patients who have had no prior antidepressant medication

Heaven forbid we are going to end up with devices costing a 100 dollars solving headaches and depressions!

]]> By: Dr Fox http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2006/06/magnetic-migraine-miracle-madness.html#comment-11247 Dr Fox Tue, 06 Apr 2010 07:35:39 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2006/06/magnetic-migraine-miracle-madness.html#comment-11247 So if the words 'miracle' and 'cure' were substituted for, oh I dont know, maybe 'remarkable' and 'remedy' ... would this assuage? So if the words ‘miracle’ and ‘cure’ were substituted for, oh I dont know, maybe ‘remarkable’ and ‘remedy’ … would this assuage?

]]> By: Dan Buzzard http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2006/06/magnetic-migraine-miracle-madness.html#comment-11020 Dan Buzzard Wed, 17 Mar 2010 11:50:35 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2006/06/magnetic-migraine-miracle-madness.html#comment-11020 I heared this quack remedy being reported on The Naked Scientist podcast. It's frustrating that this kind of bullshit is able to fool credible sources into reporting it's fallacy as fact. I heared this quack remedy being reported on The Naked Scientist podcast. It’s frustrating that this kind of bullshit is able to fool credible sources into reporting it’s fallacy as fact.

]]> By: Antares http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2006/06/magnetic-migraine-miracle-madness.html#comment-10633 Antares Mon, 08 Mar 2010 19:00:39 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2006/06/magnetic-migraine-miracle-madness.html#comment-10633 Hmmm, quick look at the paper, doesn't look too bad: Multi-center, "randomised, double-blind, parallel-group, sham-controlled." And "patients were asked if they thought they were assigned to the active or sham group before and immediately after treatment", where the response was that before treatment 80% thought they were in the treatment group and 70% maintained that view afterwards, irrespective of what actual group they were in. So far my only problem is the declared conflict of interest of the main author, but if blinding was good (and it looks like that)...? That would be quite cool. :-) Daniel Hmmm,

quick look at the paper, doesn’t look too bad:

Multi-center, “randomised, double-blind, parallel-group, sham-controlled.”

And “patients were asked if they thought they were assigned to the active or sham group before and immediately after treatment”, where the response was that before treatment 80% thought they were in the treatment group and 70% maintained that view afterwards, irrespective of what actual group they were in.

So far my only problem is the declared conflict of interest of the main author, but if blinding was good (and it looks like that)…?

That would be quite cool. :-)
Daniel

]]> By: Le Canard Noir http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2006/06/magnetic-migraine-miracle-madness.html#comment-10607 Le Canard Noir Mon, 08 Mar 2010 12:07:52 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2006/06/magnetic-migraine-miracle-madness.html#comment-10607 You are more easily persuaded that I am. Let's see shall we what the actual published paper says and just how robust any conclusions might be. You are more easily persuaded that I am. Let’s see shall we what the actual published paper says and just how robust any conclusions might be.

]]> By: Ought Six http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2006/06/magnetic-migraine-miracle-madness.html#comment-10593 Ought Six Mon, 08 Mar 2010 07:07:12 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2006/06/magnetic-migraine-miracle-madness.html#comment-10593 Oops! Time to eat your words. http://www.physorg.com/news186993093.html Oops! Time to eat your words.

http://www.physorg.com/news186993093.html

]]> By: gina http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2006/06/magnetic-migraine-miracle-madness.html#comment-4838 gina Mon, 19 Mar 2007 20:06:00 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2006/06/magnetic-migraine-miracle-madness.html#comment-4838 Maybe you should do a little more research before branding something as quackery. Startup doesn't equal "quack". Some people don't want to be absorbed by big business. Mr. Stroy has a long and distinguised history in the medical technology field. Everything starts out with potential, which is hopefully eventually proven. Thank goodness their site is honest. They are not out selling this device on infomercials, or even selling it at all. You've taken an article about a potentially life-changing device and reacted to it as though Mr. Stroy was on your doorstep trying to get you to buy it. That makes YOU the quack, not him, and your site has now lost all credibility with me. <br/><br/>For the record, I have NO connection whatsoever to Mr. Stroy, his company, the product, or anything remotely connected to the story. And I don't suffer from migraines. I just ran across this post and didn't like the tone at all. I DID do some research, and everything I've found about Mr. Stroy leads me to believe he's an very bright innovator, who has developed technologies that have changed lives (re: LifeScan personal glucose monitor). Check your facts, Mr. Duck. Maybe you should do a little more research before branding something as quackery. Startup doesn’t equal “quack”. Some people don’t want to be absorbed by big business. Mr. Stroy has a long and distinguised history in the medical technology field. Everything starts out with potential, which is hopefully eventually proven. Thank goodness their site is honest. They are not out selling this device on infomercials, or even selling it at all. You’ve taken an article about a potentially life-changing device and reacted to it as though Mr. Stroy was on your doorstep trying to get you to buy it. That makes YOU the quack, not him, and your site has now lost all credibility with me.

For the record, I have NO connection whatsoever to Mr. Stroy, his company, the product, or anything remotely connected to the story. And I don’t suffer from migraines. I just ran across this post and didn’t like the tone at all. I DID do some research, and everything I’ve found about Mr. Stroy leads me to believe he’s an very bright innovator, who has developed technologies that have changed lives (re: LifeScan personal glucose monitor). Check your facts, Mr. Duck.

]]> By: Le Canard Noir http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2006/06/magnetic-migraine-miracle-madness.html#comment-4691 Le Canard Noir Sun, 13 Aug 2006 15:57:00 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2006/06/magnetic-migraine-miracle-madness.html#comment-4691 Welcome Brendon! If you would like to counter this piece, I will be glad to publish it here? <br/><br/>In short, why such an uncritical piece of such obvious quackery? Welcome Brendon! If you would like to counter this piece, I will be glad to publish it here?

In short, why such an uncritical piece of such obvious quackery?

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2006/06/magnetic-migraine-miracle-madness.html#comment-4690 Anonymous Sun, 13 Aug 2006 01:33:00 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2006/06/magnetic-migraine-miracle-madness.html#comment-4690 Brendan Montague here, of the Daily Mail. Did he contact me? No. Did he check the 'primary source'? No. Did he even pick up a phone? No. The quack is.. a lame duck. Brendan Montague here, of the Daily Mail. Did he contact me? No. Did he check the ‘primary source’? No. Did he even pick up a phone? No. The quack is.. a lame duck.

]]> By: Le Canard Noir http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2006/06/magnetic-migraine-miracle-madness.html#comment-4677 Le Canard Noir Fri, 14 Jul 2006 00:25:00 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2006/06/magnetic-migraine-miracle-madness.html#comment-4677 Good idea. I'll give it a go. Let's see if he has anything to say. Good idea. I’ll give it a go. Let’s see if he has anything to say.

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