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	<title>Comments on: Quack Word #12: &#8216;Organic&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: JakeS</title>
		<link>http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2006/08/quack-word-12-organic.html#comment-8835</link>
		<dc:creator>JakeS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 18:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Organic&quot; carries different meanings in different jurisdictions. In the European Union, there is a meaningful and enforced definition (such as not using certain kinds of pesticides, limiting fertiliser run-off, not keeping chickens in small pens, etc.). Here, &quot;organic&quot; is actually a meaningful environmental and animal-welfare standard, not dissimilar to FSC certification for wood and fishing quotas for fish.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And the point about vulnerability to blight is simply flat-out wrong. The second biggest single point of failure in the food supply of industrialised countries is the fact that we use monocultures with a very low genetic diversity. If you want to know what that gives you, look no further than the Irish Potato Plague in the mid-1800s. (The biggest single point of failure in industrial agriculture is that it requires ridiculous amounts of fossil fuels.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;- Jake</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Organic&quot; carries different meanings in different jurisdictions. In the European Union, there is a meaningful and enforced definition (such as not using certain kinds of pesticides, limiting fertiliser run-off, not keeping chickens in small pens, etc.). Here, &quot;organic&quot; is actually a meaningful environmental and animal-welfare standard, not dissimilar to FSC certification for wood and fishing quotas for fish.</p>
<p>And the point about vulnerability to blight is simply flat-out wrong. The second biggest single point of failure in the food supply of industrialised countries is the fact that we use monocultures with a very low genetic diversity. If you want to know what that gives you, look no further than the Irish Potato Plague in the mid-1800s. (The biggest single point of failure in industrial agriculture is that it requires ridiculous amounts of fossil fuels.)</p>
<p>- Jake</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2006/08/quack-word-12-organic.html#comment-6651</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>my personal favourite organic product is a brand of organic cigarettes that a friend of mine insists on smoking. They&#039;re better for you apparently as they have fewer chemicals in them. *Ahem*&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;But please don&#039;t fall into the trap of quackery yourself... or at least being less specific in your ideas than is ideal. You say that there is no evidence that organic food is better or tastier. But is that becasue there is a lack of research? My hunch would say yes, as I understand how difficult it is to get impartial funding for medical or biological research outside of cancer, heart disease etc etc.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Leaving aside the specific organic vs non-organic debate, it does seem to be true that there is a general belief that &#039;Natural&#039; always equals &#039;better for you&#039;. On the basis of the purely chemical structure of natural vs man-made substances, theoretically there should be no difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my personal favourite organic product is a brand of organic cigarettes that a friend of mine insists on smoking. They&#8217;re better for you apparently as they have fewer chemicals in them. *Ahem*</p>
<p>But please don&#8217;t fall into the trap of quackery yourself&#8230; or at least being less specific in your ideas than is ideal. You say that there is no evidence that organic food is better or tastier. But is that becasue there is a lack of research? My hunch would say yes, as I understand how difficult it is to get impartial funding for medical or biological research outside of cancer, heart disease etc etc.</p>
<p>Leaving aside the specific organic vs non-organic debate, it does seem to be true that there is a general belief that &#8216;Natural&#8217; always equals &#8216;better for you&#8217;. On the basis of the purely chemical structure of natural vs man-made substances, theoretically there should be no difference.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2006/08/quack-word-12-organic.html#comment-5370</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 15:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>good article organics is all nonsense</description>
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		<title>By: musingsofabittergirl</title>
		<link>http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2006/08/quack-word-12-organic.html#comment-5084</link>
		<dc:creator>musingsofabittergirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 04:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice belief. Unfortunately not proven out by fact or science.</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2006/08/quack-word-12-organic.html#comment-4724</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Oct 2006 17:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*Some* organic foods at Tesco do taste better - to me anyway- but that is more likely to with the variety than anything else. On the other hand their organic beef is not as good as the Scottish beef. The label &quot;organic&quot; seems irrelevent. I bet you can grow a tasteless hydroponic  pepper to organic standards...&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I just want tasty food reared or grown with condsideration to welfare and/or environment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*Some* organic foods at Tesco do taste better &#8211; to me anyway- but that is more likely to with the variety than anything else. On the other hand their organic beef is not as good as the Scottish beef. The label &#8220;organic&#8221; seems irrelevent. I bet you can grow a tasteless hydroponic  pepper to organic standards&#8230;</p>
<p>I just want tasty food reared or grown with condsideration to welfare and/or environment.</p>
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		<title>By: Le Canard Noir</title>
		<link>http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2006/08/quack-word-12-organic.html#comment-4710</link>
		<dc:creator>Le Canard Noir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Aug 2006 07:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&#039;... Do you have a cite for that?&#039;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The bullets are a very quick summary of Dick Tavern&#039;s book which has an excellent chapter on Organic food. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;He cites a number of sources including:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Basker D, 1992, ‘Comparison of taste quality between organically and conventionally grown fruits and vegetables’, American Journal of Alternative Agriculture 7(3), p 129–136&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Hansen H, 1981, ‘Comparison of chemical composition and taste of biodynamically and conventionally grown vegetables’, Qualitas&lt;br/&gt;Plantarum – Plant Foods for Human Nutrition 30(3/4), p 203–211</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8216;&#8230; Do you have a cite for that?&#8217;</i></p>
<p>The bullets are a very quick summary of Dick Tavern&#8217;s book which has an excellent chapter on Organic food. </p>
<p>He cites a number of sources including:</p>
<p>Basker D, 1992, ‘Comparison of taste quality between organically and conventionally grown fruits and vegetables’, American Journal of Alternative Agriculture 7(3), p 129–136</p>
<p>Hansen H, 1981, ‘Comparison of chemical composition and taste of biodynamically and conventionally grown vegetables’, Qualitas<br />Plantarum – Plant Foods for Human Nutrition 30(3/4), p 203–211</p>
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		<title>By: Skeptico</title>
		<link>http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2006/08/quack-word-12-organic.html#comment-4709</link>
		<dc:creator>Skeptico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Aug 2006 20:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Tests conducted by independent consumer organisations show that people cannot taste the difference between organic and non-organic foods.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;... Do you have a cite for that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Tests conducted by independent consumer organisations show that people cannot taste the difference between organic and non-organic foods.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230; Do you have a cite for that?</p>
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		<title>By: Bronze Dog</title>
		<link>http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2006/08/quack-word-12-organic.html#comment-4708</link>
		<dc:creator>Bronze Dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Aug 2006 16:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since I&#039;ve been holding off on doing a &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://rockstarramblings.blogspot.com/2006/05/doggerel-index-suggestions.html&lt;br/ rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Doggerel&lt;/a&gt; entry on &quot;Organic,&quot; can I borrow yours? Would copy/paste with minimal commentary on my part.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;d give you credit, of course, and link back here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since I&#8217;ve been holding off on doing a <a HREF="http://rockstarramblings.blogspot.com/2006/05/doggerel-index-suggestions.html<br/ rel="nofollow">&#8221; REL=&#8221;nofollow&#8221;>Doggerel</a> entry on &#8220;Organic,&#8221; can I borrow yours? Would copy/paste with minimal commentary on my part.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d give you credit, of course, and link back here.</p>
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		<title>By: Le Canard Noir</title>
		<link>http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2006/08/quack-word-12-organic.html#comment-4706</link>
		<dc:creator>Le Canard Noir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Aug 2006 10:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ta!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ta!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2006/08/quack-word-12-organic.html#comment-4705</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Aug 2006 10:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good article, thanks. One typo though, in the last sentence, it should read &quot;one more fORm of quackery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article, thanks. One typo though, in the last sentence, it should read &#8220;one more fORm of quackery.</p>
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