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	<title>Comments on: The Depths of Ms McKeith&#8217;s Anti-Science</title>
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		<title>By: paulC</title>
		<link>http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/02/depths-of-ms-mckeiths-anti-science.html#comment-5955</link>
		<dc:creator>paulC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 00:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re spot on about the endarkenment - the current tide of anti-science, a significant amount of which seems to emanate from the USA, is a betrayal of some of the best of the (chequered) history of our species, and must be resisted whenever and wherever a new front opens up. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I take your point also about the main focus of your blog being quackery; we all have to cultivate our own jardin. And yet ...&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I can&#039;t help feeling that your excellent criticism of the Mckeiths of this world would look better if placed in a slightly larger context. Because sometimes, just sometimes, the narrowness of your focus undermines the strength of the important case that you are making. As I tried to imply.&lt;br/&gt;Paul C</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re spot on about the endarkenment &#8211; the current tide of anti-science, a significant amount of which seems to emanate from the USA, is a betrayal of some of the best of the (chequered) history of our species, and must be resisted whenever and wherever a new front opens up. </p>
<p>I take your point also about the main focus of your blog being quackery; we all have to cultivate our own jardin. And yet &#8230;</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t help feeling that your excellent criticism of the Mckeiths of this world would look better if placed in a slightly larger context. Because sometimes, just sometimes, the narrowness of your focus undermines the strength of the important case that you are making. As I tried to imply.<br />Paul C</p>
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		<title>By: le canard noir</title>
		<link>http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/02/depths-of-ms-mckeiths-anti-science.html#comment-5952</link>
		<dc:creator>le canard noir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 13:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>paul C - I get a lot of comments like this. Usually along the lines of &#039;what about the evils of XXXX?&#039; [insert pet evil here]. Now, I may well agree that XXXX is evil and needs to be tackled, but this logic suggests that the only important and legitimate issues to comment on are what someone else sees as the most important.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This is a web site about quackery. I hope it can be judged in that context.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And I do think that the undermining of the respect for science by the likes of McKeith is a very central problem. Rational thought is not an optional extra in solving big problems. Science gets chipped away at in the margins and then makes it impotent in the big issues. We see many &#039;leaders&#039; using the rising anti-science (or endarkenment) to promote their own agendas. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Just doing my bit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>paul C &#8211; I get a lot of comments like this. Usually along the lines of &#8216;what about the evils of XXXX?&#8217; [insert pet evil here]. Now, I may well agree that XXXX is evil and needs to be tackled, but this logic suggests that the only important and legitimate issues to comment on are what someone else sees as the most important.</p>
<p>This is a web site about quackery. I hope it can be judged in that context.</p>
<p>And I do think that the undermining of the respect for science by the likes of McKeith is a very central problem. Rational thought is not an optional extra in solving big problems. Science gets chipped away at in the margins and then makes it impotent in the big issues. We see many &#8216;leaders&#8217; using the rising anti-science (or endarkenment) to promote their own agendas. </p>
<p>Just doing my bit.</p>
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		<title>By: quacknet</title>
		<link>http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/02/depths-of-ms-mckeiths-anti-science.html#comment-5951</link>
		<dc:creator>quacknet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 13:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>btw - didn&#039;t mean to give the impression to lay off the mckeiths of this world - I just think you should put them in context. They are a relatively small evil, as i see it.&lt;br/&gt;paul C</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>btw &#8211; didn&#8217;t mean to give the impression to lay off the mckeiths of this world &#8211; I just think you should put them in context. They are a relatively small evil, as i see it.<br />paul C</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 12:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I loathe Mckeith and everything she and her litigious husband stand for (ie the suppression of science for personal gain) - and share your opinions about the need for science to maintain / optimise our rusty old food chain in the very difficult times ahead; but once again, you&#039;re missing the main target.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The real threats to food security are climate change (probably), and very certainly, the current push for biofuel, driven by the increasingly irrational neo-conservatives and industrialists who dominate USA policy, which is distorting global food production. In 2006, US farmers diverted 14m tonnes, or 20% of the whole maize crop, for ethanol for vehicles. This took millions of hectares of land out of food production and nearly doubled the price of maize. US exports of maize are 70% of the world total, and are used widely for animal feed. The shortages have disrupted livestock and poultry industries worldwide, and are driving up food global prices. This in turn is causing instability in a number of 3rd world countries, and contributing to serious malnutritional issues.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As Lester Brown, founder of the Washington-based Worldwatch Institute thinktank, recently pointed out, &quot;The competition for grain between the world&#039;s 800 million motorists, who want to maintain their mobility, and its 2 billion poorest people, who are simply trying to survive, is emerging as an epic issue.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Now why don&#039;t you tackle a few of the serious themes? Homeopaths and quacks are easy targets ...&lt;br/&gt;paul C</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I loathe Mckeith and everything she and her litigious husband stand for (ie the suppression of science for personal gain) &#8211; and share your opinions about the need for science to maintain / optimise our rusty old food chain in the very difficult times ahead; but once again, you&#8217;re missing the main target.</p>
<p>The real threats to food security are climate change (probably), and very certainly, the current push for biofuel, driven by the increasingly irrational neo-conservatives and industrialists who dominate USA policy, which is distorting global food production. In 2006, US farmers diverted 14m tonnes, or 20% of the whole maize crop, for ethanol for vehicles. This took millions of hectares of land out of food production and nearly doubled the price of maize. US exports of maize are 70% of the world total, and are used widely for animal feed. The shortages have disrupted livestock and poultry industries worldwide, and are driving up food global prices. This in turn is causing instability in a number of 3rd world countries, and contributing to serious malnutritional issues.</p>
<p>As Lester Brown, founder of the Washington-based Worldwatch Institute thinktank, recently pointed out, &#8220;The competition for grain between the world&#8217;s 800 million motorists, who want to maintain their mobility, and its 2 billion poorest people, who are simply trying to survive, is emerging as an epic issue.&#8221;</p>
<p>Now why don&#8217;t you tackle a few of the serious themes? Homeopaths and quacks are easy targets &#8230;<br />paul C</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 16:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;However, production costs will be higher and hence, we have to ask if this approach will ever be little more than an indulgent choice of the middle-classes?&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Well indeed -- more suited to, for example, making nice wine in whatever hocus-pocus manner, than to feeding Africa or stopping Western childhood obesity.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Andrew.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;However, production costs will be higher and hence, we have to ask if this approach will ever be little more than an indulgent choice of the middle-classes?&#8221;</p>
<p>Well indeed &#8212; more suited to, for example, making nice wine in whatever hocus-pocus manner, than to feeding Africa or stopping Western childhood obesity.</p>
<p>Andrew.</p>
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		<title>By: Le Canard Noir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Le Canard Noir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 13:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Andrew for the sp.! Corrected.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;On your main point I would say that, yes, I am sure that any form of low-intensity farming (I will resist calling it organic) has the potential to create a superior product. However, production costs will be higher and hence, we have to ask if this approach will ever be little more than an indulgent choice of the middle-classes? Can low-intensity farming offer good food for the many, the poor, and the developing world without using huge amounts of natural resources in land, water and labour? Does good animal husbandry only come at the cost of wildlife and forests?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Questions like these are important, and the low-intensity farmers have a role to play in answering them. However, if they base their knowledge on astrology, witchcraft and quackery, it is not going to be a very sensible debate, is it?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The Organic Movement and the Soil Association still have strong vestiges of this sort of mumbo-jumbo. They are not evidence-based approaches, but prefer to fossilise much of their &#039;standards&#039; on the early thoughts of people like Rudolf Steiner and the Biodynamics movement. I think it is a big shame that the vanguards of progressive farming have been hijacked by supporters of irrational philosophies and marketing myths.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Andrew for the sp.! Corrected.</p>
<p>On your main point I would say that, yes, I am sure that any form of low-intensity farming (I will resist calling it organic) has the potential to create a superior product. However, production costs will be higher and hence, we have to ask if this approach will ever be little more than an indulgent choice of the middle-classes? Can low-intensity farming offer good food for the many, the poor, and the developing world without using huge amounts of natural resources in land, water and labour? Does good animal husbandry only come at the cost of wildlife and forests?</p>
<p>Questions like these are important, and the low-intensity farmers have a role to play in answering them. However, if they base their knowledge on astrology, witchcraft and quackery, it is not going to be a very sensible debate, is it?</p>
<p>The Organic Movement and the Soil Association still have strong vestiges of this sort of mumbo-jumbo. They are not evidence-based approaches, but prefer to fossilise much of their &#8217;standards&#8217; on the early thoughts of people like Rudolf Steiner and the Biodynamics movement. I think it is a big shame that the vanguards of progressive farming have been hijacked by supporters of irrational philosophies and marketing myths.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 12:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;cattle intensities&quot; -- I think you mean intestines, unless you&#039;re talking about some particularly woo form of cow vibration.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Interestingly, I was first told about biodynamics by a friend who&#039;s a wine merchant (and an engineer by training). He worked on a biodynamic vineyard for a while and swears that despite the clear lunacy of their methods, they must be doing something right by accident, because the movement is renowned for making some bloody good wine...&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Andrew.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;cattle intensities&#8221; &#8212; I think you mean intestines, unless you&#8217;re talking about some particularly woo form of cow vibration.</p>
<p>Interestingly, I was first told about biodynamics by a friend who&#8217;s a wine merchant (and an engineer by training). He worked on a biodynamic vineyard for a while and swears that despite the clear lunacy of their methods, they must be doing something right by accident, because the movement is renowned for making some bloody good wine&#8230;</p>
<p>Andrew.</p>
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		<title>By: kath</title>
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		<dc:creator>kath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 17:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s Witchcraft!  Maybe she&#039;s a witch.</description>
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