Comments on: We the undersigned… http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/02/we-undersigned.html Experiments and Thoughts on Quackery, Health Beliefs and Pseudoscience Thu, 09 Feb 2012 21:47:47 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Badly Shaved Monkey http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/02/we-undersigned.html#comment-15178 Badly Shaved Monkey Mon, 18 Jul 2011 05:39:29 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2007/02/we-the-undersigned.html#comment-15178 You're safe. I don't think you're in possession of any. You’re safe. I don’t think you’re in possession of any.

]]> By: le canard noir http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/02/we-undersigned.html#comment-15176 le canard noir Sun, 17 Jul 2011 20:20:42 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2007/02/we-the-undersigned.html#comment-15176 What is your evidence for the 2% figure? What is your evidence for the 2% figure?

]]> By: T http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/02/we-undersigned.html#comment-15174 T Sun, 17 Jul 2011 18:23:52 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2007/02/we-the-undersigned.html#comment-15174 I am amazed at how strict the Government are about this, yet it is so easy for companies to sell us the crap food we eat everyday without disclosing properly what is in it. Ah well at least Chemotherapy cures 2% of patients and gives the rest another bout of Cancer with horrendous inhumane side-effects. Why isn't Chemotherapy illegal? Better go, the thought Police are coming... I am amazed at how strict the Government are about this, yet it is so easy for companies to sell us the crap food we eat everyday without disclosing properly what is in it.

Ah well at least Chemotherapy cures 2% of patients and gives the rest another bout of Cancer with horrendous inhumane side-effects. Why isn’t Chemotherapy illegal?

Better go, the thought Police are coming…

]]> By: Badly Shaved Monkey http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/02/we-undersigned.html#comment-15134 Badly Shaved Monkey Thu, 07 Jul 2011 13:26:22 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2007/02/we-the-undersigned.html#comment-15134 <blockquote>Vitamin ( actually a hormone) D is known to reduce the rate of breast cancer metastasis by 800%</blockquote> So you end up with -700% of patients getting metastases? Presumably arithmetic works differently in your universe.

Vitamin ( actually a hormone) D is known to reduce the rate of breast cancer metastasis by 800%

So you end up with -700% of patients getting metastases?

Presumably arithmetic works differently in your universe.

]]> By: le canard noir http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/02/we-undersigned.html#comment-15126 le canard noir Tue, 05 Jul 2011 19:41:35 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2007/02/we-the-undersigned.html#comment-15126 Tim, you don't happen to be an osteopath for any reason? Tim, you don’t happen to be an osteopath for any reason?

]]> By: Tim http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/02/we-undersigned.html#comment-15125 Tim Tue, 05 Jul 2011 19:30:27 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2007/02/we-the-undersigned.html#comment-15125 Mr Lewis seems to have an overdeveloped sense of his own ability to understand anything as far as I can see. "There is no evidence to suggest" and "the best evidence to date" are mutually exclusive phrases which give me little confidence in him as a self-appointed arbiter of scientific fact. He should realise that in vivo studies are very expensive to run; prohibitively so for anyone wishing to investigate the properties of a naturally-occurring substance which cannot be patented if and when its salutary properties are established. Contrast this with the studies undertaken by the big drug companies, who do research based on the premise that their highly toxic and downright dangerous concoctions can then be foisted onto an unsuspecting population at highly inflated markups. He might wish to speculate about why a naturally-occurring substance, Vitamin ( actually a hormone) D is known to reduce the rate of breast cancer metastasis by 800%, but it is not being trumpeted from the rooftops by the fraudulent organization knwn as Cancer Research UK. Perhaps this is to do with the fact that cancer is a highly lucrative condition for the drug companies to "treat", and so why would they wish to find a cure. As far as I can see, their primary objective is to find a way to maintain their salaries permanently at the public expense. In exchange for this, everyone is given a pink ribbon to wear. The closed shop criminal mentality of these people is further exemplified by reference the Cancer Act of 1939, which has successfully crowded out the competition for the last 70 years. Despite its exclusive access to the target population, little has been done to win the war on cancer, which is more a marketing exercise than a genuine desire to help people afflicted with this dread condition. If he can find a break in between wasting hours investigating topics which he seems to have little if any understanding of, he might like to check out the April 2011 findings relating to the extraordinary benefits of ingesting the spice known as turmeric in the treatment and prevention of all-variant cancer. These studies are being done by the MD Anderson Cancer Centre in Texas, which,assuming that he will therefore immediately do obeisance to an "establishment" research facility, should give his generally arrogant but facile mindset a brief pause for thought. Sorry to be so scathing, but Mr Lewis is clearly an opinionated idiot. Mr Lewis seems to have an overdeveloped sense of his own ability to understand anything as far as I can see. “There is no evidence to suggest” and “the best evidence to date” are mutually exclusive phrases which give me little confidence in him as a self-appointed arbiter of scientific fact. He should realise that in vivo studies are very expensive to run; prohibitively so for anyone wishing to investigate the properties of a naturally-occurring substance which cannot be patented if and when its salutary properties are established. Contrast this with the studies undertaken by the big drug companies, who do research based on the premise that their highly toxic and downright dangerous concoctions can then be foisted onto an unsuspecting population at highly inflated markups. He might wish to speculate about why a naturally-occurring substance, Vitamin ( actually a hormone) D is known to reduce the rate of breast cancer metastasis by 800%, but it is not being trumpeted from the rooftops by the fraudulent organization knwn as Cancer Research UK. Perhaps this is to do with the fact that cancer is a highly lucrative condition for the drug companies to “treat”, and so why would they wish to find a cure. As far as I can see, their primary objective is to find a way to maintain their salaries permanently at the public expense. In exchange for this, everyone is given a pink ribbon to wear. The closed shop criminal mentality of these people is further exemplified by reference the Cancer Act of 1939, which has successfully crowded out the competition for the last 70 years. Despite its exclusive access to the target population, little has been done to win the war on cancer, which is more a marketing exercise than a genuine desire to help people afflicted with this dread condition.
If he can find a break in between wasting hours investigating topics which he seems to have little if any understanding of, he might like to check out the April 2011 findings relating to the extraordinary benefits of ingesting the spice known as turmeric in the treatment and prevention of all-variant cancer. These studies are being done by the MD Anderson Cancer Centre in Texas, which,assuming that he will therefore immediately do obeisance to an “establishment” research facility, should give his generally arrogant but facile mindset a brief pause for thought. Sorry to be so scathing, but Mr Lewis is clearly an opinionated idiot.

]]> By: jerry hadley http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/02/we-undersigned.html#comment-11910 jerry hadley Sat, 05 Jun 2010 15:46:12 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2007/02/we-the-undersigned.html#comment-11910 think maybe your missing the point, i tried naturally occuring herbs and all that happened to me was my big toe swelled painfully and i had touble sleeping. will stick to whatever my doctor tells me in the future !! think maybe your missing the point, i tried naturally occuring herbs and all that happened to me was my big toe swelled painfully and i had touble sleeping. will stick to whatever my doctor tells me in the future !!

]]> By: Le Canard Noir http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/02/we-undersigned.html#comment-5109 Le Canard Noir Wed, 12 Sep 2007 21:25:00 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2007/02/we-the-undersigned.html#comment-5109 Shuttersparks<br/><br/>Do you mean this?<br/>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6987200.stm<br/><br/>Nothing new here. No peer reviewed research. No clinical trials. Just a Dr Tan saying "his colleagues he has formed a company to investigate further the potential to develop natural anti-cancer therapies". That is, the BBC have published an advert.<br/><br/>Note the comment at the end of the article, <br/><br/>"Dr Julie Sharp, Cancer Research UK's science information manager, said: "Many naturally occurring substances have anticancer properties, but while this research shows that salvestrols have an effect on cells in the laboratory, there is no evidence that they have a similar effect in patients. "<br/><br/>"Clinical trials would be needed to tell us if these substances could be developed into a cancer treatment." Shuttersparks

Do you mean this?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6987200.stm

Nothing new here. No peer reviewed research. No clinical trials. Just a Dr Tan saying “his colleagues he has formed a company to investigate further the potential to develop natural anti-cancer therapies”. That is, the BBC have published an advert.

Note the comment at the end of the article,

“Dr Julie Sharp, Cancer Research UK’s science information manager, said: “Many naturally occurring substances have anticancer properties, but while this research shows that salvestrols have an effect on cells in the laboratory, there is no evidence that they have a similar effect in patients. “

“Clinical trials would be needed to tell us if these substances could be developed into a cancer treatment.”

]]> By: ShutterSparks http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/02/we-undersigned.html#comment-5108 ShutterSparks Wed, 12 Sep 2007 18:15:00 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2007/02/we-the-undersigned.html#comment-5108 Check the headline news Sep 12, 2007. You might want to temper your opinion of salvestrols. Check the headline news Sep 12, 2007. You might want to temper your opinion of salvestrols.

]]> By: Reggie von Zugbach http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/02/we-undersigned.html#comment-4823 Reggie von Zugbach Wed, 07 Mar 2007 05:50:00 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2007/02/we-the-undersigned.html#comment-4823 No mysteries here. I retired eight years ago so I do not appear on any active staff lists. I signed the Cancer Act E-petition as a protest against its limitation of free speech. In fact I signed a lot of petitions while confined to bed with little better to do. I have no brief for quack medicine, indeed I think websites like this do a good ob in telling people about its dangers and its potential to "con". No mysteries here. I retired eight years ago so I do not appear on any active staff lists. I signed the Cancer Act E-petition as a protest against its limitation of free speech. In fact I signed a lot of petitions while confined to bed with little better to do. I have no brief for quack medicine, indeed I think websites like this do a good ob in telling people about its dangers and its potential to “con”.

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