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		<title>By: TruthSeeker</title>
		<link>http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/03/beauty-and-quack_20.html#comment-5897</link>
		<dc:creator>TruthSeeker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In August of 2007, Clarins got their asses reamed in the UK from the Advertising Standards Authority for all of the reasons in this article.  The president and his so called &quot;Doctor&quot; are full of dreck and have been sniffing way too much of their own 3P...&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;They need to go live in the bottom of the ocean and see if they are protected.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Did you look at the founder who died?  He claimed to have personally tested his products.  Well, with all the wrinkles and sagging aged skin on his face he is NOT a TESTIMONIAL to the effectiveness of their line!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;No wonder Americans can&#039;t stand the French...&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The product can not work for the following simple reason:  Thermus Thermophillus needs a temperature of 40-60C to become heat activated...converted that is 104-140F.  No HUMAN in their RIGHT MIND is going to heat up their face to that temperature to &quot;PROTECT&quot; it from EM waves.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;How is this stuff suppose to work if it is &quot;SPRAYED&quot; over a moisturizer and make up?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Clarins 3P=the new snakeoil.  At least with alternative medicine it has been around for centuries and there are some scientific studies on it, but, this product claims are beyond belief.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Christian Courtin-Clarins=Bullshit artist Par Excellence!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The FDA oversees bull like this and should be notified.  What next, if you sprtiz 3P from a mister it will protect you from Chem Trails?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In August of 2007, Clarins got their asses reamed in the UK from the Advertising Standards Authority for all of the reasons in this article.  The president and his so called &#8220;Doctor&#8221; are full of dreck and have been sniffing way too much of their own 3P&#8230;</p>
<p>They need to go live in the bottom of the ocean and see if they are protected.</p>
<p>Did you look at the founder who died?  He claimed to have personally tested his products.  Well, with all the wrinkles and sagging aged skin on his face he is NOT a TESTIMONIAL to the effectiveness of their line!</p>
<p>No wonder Americans can&#8217;t stand the French&#8230;</p>
<p>The product can not work for the following simple reason:  Thermus Thermophillus needs a temperature of 40-60C to become heat activated&#8230;converted that is 104-140F.  No HUMAN in their RIGHT MIND is going to heat up their face to that temperature to &#8220;PROTECT&#8221; it from EM waves.  </p>
<p>How is this stuff suppose to work if it is &#8220;SPRAYED&#8221; over a moisturizer and make up?</p>
<p>Clarins 3P=the new snakeoil.  At least with alternative medicine it has been around for centuries and there are some scientific studies on it, but, this product claims are beyond belief.  </p>
<p>Christian Courtin-Clarins=Bullshit artist Par Excellence!</p>
<p>The FDA oversees bull like this and should be notified.  What next, if you sprtiz 3P from a mister it will protect you from Chem Trails?</p>
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		<title>By: Persiflage</title>
		<link>http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/03/beauty-and-quack_20.html#comment-4964</link>
		<dc:creator>Persiflage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 09:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think one of the things that winds me up the most is when contributors make comments like &quot;[...] general members of the public publish their own opinions on subjects that they have absolutely no authority or knowledge on.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Admittedly, Anonymous is an obvious shill with an agenda, but many &quot;genuine&quot; folks maintain a similar degree of doublethink (although really it&#039;s &#039;triplethink&#039; at least).&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;When this blog and others point out the fact that someone like Patrick Holford or Gillian McKeith have no formal qualifications, they&#039;re either supported because they&#039;ve &quot;been working the field for [n] years&quot;, or the very idea of requiring formal qualifications in order to speak as an authority on a subject is rubbished.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;THEN people come along and make comments to the effect of &quot;What makes you so smart, you with no qualifications in the field?&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;They then, having firmly established the prerequisites for holding a valuable opinion, proceed to tell you you&#039;re wrong... an opinion they hold which is generally based on no qualifications.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This is compounded by people&#039;s apparent obliviousness to the fact that the issues on which you are commenting require nothing more than a general understanding of the subject matter, a good understanding of the scientific method, a logical mind and a spirit of enquiry.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Oh, and Anonymous?  For the record, I suppose I am a scientist for what it&#039;s worth, although a common complaint of so-called &quot;electrosensitives&quot; is that when studies fail to show above-chance results in provocation tests to demonstrate the existence of EMS, it&#039;s because they&#039;re run by the &quot;wrong type&quot; of scientist.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The wrong type being, apparently, any scientist who fails to demonstrate the existence of EMS as a phenomenon.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Anyway, rant over.  This tickled me:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;I have no desire to look or feel younger despite my loving husbands nagging!&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Quite apart from the implied admission of bigamy, I wouldn&#039;t call any husband (or husbands, the jury is out) &quot;loving&quot; who nags you to look or feel younger...&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The Clarins people are not trying to advise us on the effects of electromagnetic frequencies on our skin: they&#039;re trying to sell us very expensive goop with no demonstrable protective benefits against phenomena that do no demonstrable harm.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;We ARE asking ourselves &quot;What if what they&#039;re saying is true?&quot;, and we&#039;re asking the Clarins researchers to tell us how they came to their conclusions.  Is that so unreasonable?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think one of the things that winds me up the most is when contributors make comments like &#8220;[...] general members of the public publish their own opinions on subjects that they have absolutely no authority or knowledge on.&#8221;</p>
<p>Admittedly, Anonymous is an obvious shill with an agenda, but many &#8220;genuine&#8221; folks maintain a similar degree of doublethink (although really it&#8217;s &#8216;triplethink&#8217; at least).</p>
<p>When this blog and others point out the fact that someone like Patrick Holford or Gillian McKeith have no formal qualifications, they&#8217;re either supported because they&#8217;ve &#8220;been working the field for [n] years&#8221;, or the very idea of requiring formal qualifications in order to speak as an authority on a subject is rubbished.</p>
<p>THEN people come along and make comments to the effect of &#8220;What makes you so smart, you with no qualifications in the field?&#8221;</p>
<p>They then, having firmly established the prerequisites for holding a valuable opinion, proceed to tell you you&#8217;re wrong&#8230; an opinion they hold which is generally based on no qualifications.</p>
<p>This is compounded by people&#8217;s apparent obliviousness to the fact that the issues on which you are commenting require nothing more than a general understanding of the subject matter, a good understanding of the scientific method, a logical mind and a spirit of enquiry.</p>
<p>Oh, and Anonymous?  For the record, I suppose I am a scientist for what it&#8217;s worth, although a common complaint of so-called &#8220;electrosensitives&#8221; is that when studies fail to show above-chance results in provocation tests to demonstrate the existence of EMS, it&#8217;s because they&#8217;re run by the &#8220;wrong type&#8221; of scientist.</p>
<p>The wrong type being, apparently, any scientist who fails to demonstrate the existence of EMS as a phenomenon.</p>
<p>Anyway, rant over.  This tickled me:</p>
<p>&#8220;I have no desire to look or feel younger despite my loving husbands nagging!&#8221;</p>
<p>Quite apart from the implied admission of bigamy, I wouldn&#8217;t call any husband (or husbands, the jury is out) &#8220;loving&#8221; who nags you to look or feel younger&#8230;</p>
<p>The Clarins people are not trying to advise us on the effects of electromagnetic frequencies on our skin: they&#8217;re trying to sell us very expensive goop with no demonstrable protective benefits against phenomena that do no demonstrable harm.</p>
<p>We ARE asking ourselves &#8220;What if what they&#8217;re saying is true?&#8221;, and we&#8217;re asking the Clarins researchers to tell us how they came to their conclusions.  Is that so unreasonable?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/03/beauty-and-quack_20.html#comment-4956</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2007 05:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rofl, the original article is good, but the &quot;Anonymous&quot; post takes the cake. Electrosensitives!!! Indeed.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Keep up the good work.</description>
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<p>Keep up the good work.</p>
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		<title>By: Niall Mac Caughey</title>
		<link>http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/03/beauty-and-quack_20.html#comment-4920</link>
		<dc:creator>Niall Mac Caughey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 20:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The article quoted by Anja makes for a good read; it doesn&#039;t need a subscription - just registration.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;For five years I ran the radio interference-tracing section of the Irish state commumications regulator.  We dealt with the problems that no-one else could solve and the cases were diverse and interesting.  We reviewed many cases of &#039;Electrosensitives&#039; and, although we tried to be as open-minded as possible, we never found a genuine case.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The symptoms certainly appeared genuine, but we could find no evidence to tie these symptoms to electro-magnetic radiation.  An example is the lady who lived in a rural area but suffered a reaction to the emissions from a mobile phone tower in the nearest town.  It was sufficiently far away that I was unable to see the offending antennas, even using binoculars.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;She relieved her symptoms by installing a cellular phone jammer, which works by transmitting interference(illegally as it happens) on the frequencies used by cellular phones.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I had to explain gently that the radiation which she was receiving from the little box in her garage was over 100 times more powerful than the signal from the telephone tower...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article quoted by Anja makes for a good read; it doesn&#8217;t need a subscription &#8211; just registration.</p>
<p>For five years I ran the radio interference-tracing section of the Irish state commumications regulator.  We dealt with the problems that no-one else could solve and the cases were diverse and interesting.  We reviewed many cases of &#8216;Electrosensitives&#8217; and, although we tried to be as open-minded as possible, we never found a genuine case.</p>
<p>The symptoms certainly appeared genuine, but we could find no evidence to tie these symptoms to electro-magnetic radiation.  An example is the lady who lived in a rural area but suffered a reaction to the emissions from a mobile phone tower in the nearest town.  It was sufficiently far away that I was unable to see the offending antennas, even using binoculars.</p>
<p>She relieved her symptoms by installing a cellular phone jammer, which works by transmitting interference(illegally as it happens) on the frequencies used by cellular phones.</p>
<p>I had to explain gently that the radiation which she was receiving from the little box in her garage was over 100 times more powerful than the signal from the telephone tower&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Le Canard Noir</title>
		<link>http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/03/beauty-and-quack_20.html#comment-4906</link>
		<dc:creator>Le Canard Noir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 19:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahhh, Anja, thanks for the comment. Unfortunately I can&#039;t read your comment as it is a subscription service and my &#039;Big Pharma&#039; cheque has not arrived this month.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Your point is good about pseudoscience directed at women. One might naively presume that pseudoscience would be the stuff of &#039;Men&#039;s health&#039; magazine. But no. One area where pseudoscience is strongly directed at men is hi end HiFi - again the expense must justify it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahhh, Anja, thanks for the comment. Unfortunately I can&#8217;t read your comment as it is a subscription service and my &#8216;Big Pharma&#8217; cheque has not arrived this month.</p>
<p>Your point is good about pseudoscience directed at women. One might naively presume that pseudoscience would be the stuff of &#8216;Men&#8217;s health&#8217; magazine. But no. One area where pseudoscience is strongly directed at men is hi end HiFi &#8211; again the expense must justify it.</p>
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		<title>By: Anja</title>
		<link>http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/03/beauty-and-quack_20.html#comment-4884</link>
		<dc:creator>Anja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 17:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love this article!&lt;br/&gt;I am about to wite an essay comparing gender differences in advertising with regards to pseudo-scientific language used in advertisments for beauty products. It&#039;s hilarious, men&#039;s ads show a handsome face and say: you will look better and younger if you try this product. But women&#039;s ads somehow need more &#039;scientific&#039; back-up, perhaps to justify the overpricing of the products, and come up with words like collagen biospheres, collagen fibres, DMAE, aquacellular, neurocalm and the like. Have a look at this article, it just prooves your point exactly: http://www.unison.ie/irish_independent/stories.php3?ca=45&amp;si=1525724&amp;issue_id=13408 &lt;br/&gt;...if a doctor in chemistry and a nobel laureate don&#039;t think it&#039;s real science, why should we, hey?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love this article!<br />I am about to wite an essay comparing gender differences in advertising with regards to pseudo-scientific language used in advertisments for beauty products. It&#8217;s hilarious, men&#8217;s ads show a handsome face and say: you will look better and younger if you try this product. But women&#8217;s ads somehow need more &#8217;scientific&#8217; back-up, perhaps to justify the overpricing of the products, and come up with words like collagen biospheres, collagen fibres, DMAE, aquacellular, neurocalm and the like. Have a look at this article, it just prooves your point exactly: <a href="http://www.unison.ie/irish_independent/stories.php3?ca=45&#038;si=1525724&#038;issue_id=13408" rel="nofollow">http://www.unison.ie/irish_independent/stories.php3?ca=45&#038;si=1525724&#038;issue_id=13408</a> <br />&#8230;if a doctor in chemistry and a nobel laureate don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s real science, why should we, hey?</p>
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		<title>By: Le Canard Noir</title>
		<link>http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/03/beauty-and-quack_20.html#comment-4857</link>
		<dc:creator>Le Canard Noir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 16:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS Hands up if you think &#039;Anonymous&#039; worlks for Clarins!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS Hands up if you think &#8216;Anonymous&#8217; worlks for Clarins!</p>
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		<title>By: Le Canard Noir</title>
		<link>http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/03/beauty-and-quack_20.html#comment-4855</link>
		<dc:creator>Le Canard Noir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 10:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Anonymous&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;They are after all scientist in the field of beauty&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;That is one of the funniest comments on this site so far. Clarins are making claims that contradict all that is known about electromagnetic radiation and somehow &#039;Beauty Science&#039; supercedes it.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Even if there are people who are truly &#039;electrosensitive&#039; (and the evidence is weak) then this E3p mist spray looks more likely to be taking advantage of them rather than helping them.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Until Mr Clarins et al. publish their work we cannot know and must be very suspicious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Anonymous</p>
<p>&#8220;They are after all scientist in the field of beauty&#8221;</p>
<p>That is one of the funniest comments on this site so far. Clarins are making claims that contradict all that is known about electromagnetic radiation and somehow &#8216;Beauty Science&#8217; supercedes it.</p>
<p>Even if there are people who are truly &#8216;electrosensitive&#8217; (and the evidence is weak) then this E3p mist spray looks more likely to be taking advantage of them rather than helping them.</p>
<p>Until Mr Clarins et al. publish their work we cannot know and must be very suspicious.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 16:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I usually agree with you Andy but sadly on this occassion I don&#039;t and can&#039;t!  It really frustrates me when general members of the public publish their own opinions on subjects that they have absolutely no authority or knowledge on.  Are you a chemist or scientist?  Are you loyal bloggers chemist or scientists?  If they are, do they work in the cosmetic field and have knowledge or experience on the subject of Electromagnetic Sensitivity?  I am not a beauty person, I have no desire to look or feel younger despite my loving husbands nagging!  Do you or your bloggers know what/who Electrosentives are?  There is a whole other world out there that you do not know of and possible cannot know of.  I too read the ads and website info regarding this new Clarins product and its seems quite clear to me that all they are trying to do is advise us on the effects these waves have on our skin - it ages it!  That seemed very clear to me.  Now as I have already mentioned, I have no longing to reverse the ageing affects the sun/pollution/2 kids and a very stressful job have had on my skin and I will certainly not be buying this product but I do implore you all to get off your backsides and look into this further - look past the adverising gimmick and ask yourself the question - Is it possible that what they are saying is true?  They are after all scientist in the field of beauty and you and I are not!  It would also be interesting to read more about Electrosentives and the effects EMF&#039;s have on our health.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I usually agree with you Andy but sadly on this occassion I don&#8217;t and can&#8217;t!  It really frustrates me when general members of the public publish their own opinions on subjects that they have absolutely no authority or knowledge on.  Are you a chemist or scientist?  Are you loyal bloggers chemist or scientists?  If they are, do they work in the cosmetic field and have knowledge or experience on the subject of Electromagnetic Sensitivity?  I am not a beauty person, I have no desire to look or feel younger despite my loving husbands nagging!  Do you or your bloggers know what/who Electrosentives are?  There is a whole other world out there that you do not know of and possible cannot know of.  I too read the ads and website info regarding this new Clarins product and its seems quite clear to me that all they are trying to do is advise us on the effects these waves have on our skin &#8211; it ages it!  That seemed very clear to me.  Now as I have already mentioned, I have no longing to reverse the ageing affects the sun/pollution/2 kids and a very stressful job have had on my skin and I will certainly not be buying this product but I do implore you all to get off your backsides and look into this further &#8211; look past the adverising gimmick and ask yourself the question &#8211; Is it possible that what they are saying is true?  They are after all scientist in the field of beauty and you and I are not!  It would also be interesting to read more about Electrosentives and the effects EMF&#8217;s have on our health.</p>
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		<title>By: La di Da</title>
		<link>http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/03/beauty-and-quack_20.html#comment-4844</link>
		<dc:creator>La di Da</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 05:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One site that&#039;s useful for decent cosmetics information is www.cosmeticcop.com - the woman who runs it does sell her own cosmetic line but she&#039;s (refreshingly!) transparent about that. Lists of ingredients and actual useful skin care information - all backed up by gosh-darnit actual scientific studies from real, peer-reviewed medical journals and the like. No woo such as &quot;preservatives will give you cancer&quot; and &quot;face cream will cure your wrinkles&quot;. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;(Disclaimer etc: I am not affiliated with the site in any way, though I have bought some of her products.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One site that&#8217;s useful for decent cosmetics information is <a href="http://www.cosmeticcop.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.cosmeticcop.com</a> &#8211; the woman who runs it does sell her own cosmetic line but she&#8217;s (refreshingly!) transparent about that. Lists of ingredients and actual useful skin care information &#8211; all backed up by gosh-darnit actual scientific studies from real, peer-reviewed medical journals and the like. No woo such as &#8220;preservatives will give you cancer&#8221; and &#8220;face cream will cure your wrinkles&#8221;. </p>
<p>(Disclaimer etc: I am not affiliated with the site in any way, though I have bought some of her products.)</p>
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