<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Electrosensitivity: Caused by Wi-Fi and Mobiles?</title>
	<atom:link href="http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/04/electrosensitivity-caused-by-wi-fi-and.html/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/04/electrosensitivity-caused-by-wi-fi-and.html</link>
	<description>Experiments and Thoughts on Quackery, Health Beliefs and Pseudoscience</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 21:47:47 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1</generator>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
		<item>
		<title>By: Foresight Preconception:Beware of Claims &#124; The Quackometer</title>
		<link>http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/04/electrosensitivity-caused-by-wi-fi-and.html#comment-15296</link>
		<dc:creator>Foresight Preconception:Beware of Claims &#124; The Quackometer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2011 17:16:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2007/04/electrosensitivity-caused-by-wi-fi-and-mobiles.html#comment-15296</guid>
		<description>[...] There is no good reason to think this is true. Indeed, the idea that the electromagnetic radiation from domestic sources can be the source of such illnesses is the invention of a few characters who have built businesses from selling solutions to protect you from such ‘dangers’. And indeed, they are advised by the usual suspects, including the high profile and doubtful Powerwatch. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] There is no good reason to think this is true. Indeed, the idea that the electromagnetic radiation from domestic sources can be the source of such illnesses is the invention of a few characters who have built businesses from selling solutions to protect you from such ‘dangers’. And indeed, they are advised by the usual suspects, including the high profile and doubtful Powerwatch. [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Will</title>
		<link>http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/04/electrosensitivity-caused-by-wi-fi-and.html#comment-14997</link>
		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2011 11:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2007/04/electrosensitivity-caused-by-wi-fi-and-mobiles.html#comment-14997</guid>
		<description>Jules, I can&#039;t get access to that journal/article via Google, PubMed, my University Library etc. and Dr. Havas&#039; website only lists &#039;publications&#039; up to 2009; most of which, I note, are non-peer reviewed items such as letters (to newspapers etc.) and conference/meeting abstracts. This seems a little odd for a scientist who has proven a such a link...

Could you please provide a little more info/text/abstract? Dr. Havas&#039; science has clearly impressed you and I&#039;m sure you&#039;d like us to benefit from what you learned from it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jules, I can&#8217;t get access to that journal/article via Google, PubMed, my University Library etc. and Dr. Havas&#8217; website only lists &#8216;publications&#8217; up to 2009; most of which, I note, are non-peer reviewed items such as letters (to newspapers etc.) and conference/meeting abstracts. This seems a little odd for a scientist who has proven a such a link&#8230;</p>
<p>Could you please provide a little more info/text/abstract? Dr. Havas&#8217; science has clearly impressed you and I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;d like us to benefit from what you learned from it.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Jules</title>
		<link>http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/04/electrosensitivity-caused-by-wi-fi-and.html#comment-14996</link>
		<dc:creator>Jules</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2011 08:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2007/04/electrosensitivity-caused-by-wi-fi-and-mobiles.html#comment-14996</guid>
		<description>Oh dear! I have just read these postings and for the most part how uninformed they are. Electrosensitivity exists. Wi-fi can be a trigger (EU Journal of Oncology, Oct 2010, Havas, Dr Magda, proves wi-fi / cordless phones cause heart irregularities) and like any &#039;allergic&#039; reaction the only solution is to avoid it. Easy right? No, not when there is no environmental law protecting people in their own homes from their neighbours (as is the case with noise and light pollution). Ah but neighbours should be allowed to do what they want in their homes right? Yes, and surely the same right belongs to those people&#039;s homes which are being invaded by harmful frequencies? 

How many people know wi-fi operates at a brainwave frequency and therefore interferes with cells&#039; ability to communicate with one another causing chaos to proteins, neural pathways etc? Do people know routers are 3 times more powerful than mobile phone masts?

The Council of Europe has just reiterated the need for member states to recognise and help electrosensitives. This is not big brother stuff; thank god there is an impartial body not susceptible to the corruption of mobile phone companies who are undoubtedly making billions from government licences and who are all too aware of the health risks. Why otherwise are more than 60% of them not covered by insurance companies against health claims?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh dear! I have just read these postings and for the most part how uninformed they are. Electrosensitivity exists. Wi-fi can be a trigger (EU Journal of Oncology, Oct 2010, Havas, Dr Magda, proves wi-fi / cordless phones cause heart irregularities) and like any &#8216;allergic&#8217; reaction the only solution is to avoid it. Easy right? No, not when there is no environmental law protecting people in their own homes from their neighbours (as is the case with noise and light pollution). Ah but neighbours should be allowed to do what they want in their homes right? Yes, and surely the same right belongs to those people&#8217;s homes which are being invaded by harmful frequencies? </p>
<p>How many people know wi-fi operates at a brainwave frequency and therefore interferes with cells&#8217; ability to communicate with one another causing chaos to proteins, neural pathways etc? Do people know routers are 3 times more powerful than mobile phone masts?</p>
<p>The Council of Europe has just reiterated the need for member states to recognise and help electrosensitives. This is not big brother stuff; thank god there is an impartial body not susceptible to the corruption of mobile phone companies who are undoubtedly making billions from government licences and who are all too aware of the health risks. Why otherwise are more than 60% of them not covered by insurance companies against health claims?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: gmcevoy</title>
		<link>http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/04/electrosensitivity-caused-by-wi-fi-and.html#comment-13732</link>
		<dc:creator>gmcevoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2010 15:43:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2007/04/electrosensitivity-caused-by-wi-fi-and-mobiles.html#comment-13732</guid>
		<description>how are all these electro-sensitive people using their EMF junk computers?

I guarantee that everyone claiming this would not be able to tell if a power source is on or off any better than the &#039;energy healers&#039; exposed by Emily Rosa could feel her energy - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emily_Rosa

Which is to say, no better than guessing</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>how are all these electro-sensitive people using their EMF junk computers?</p>
<p>I guarantee that everyone claiming this would not be able to tell if a power source is on or off any better than the &#8216;energy healers&#8217; exposed by Emily Rosa could feel her energy &#8211; <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emily_Rosa" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emily_Rosa</a></p>
<p>Which is to say, no better than guessing</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/04/electrosensitivity-caused-by-wi-fi-and.html#comment-8973</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 11:14:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2007/04/electrosensitivity-caused-by-wi-fi-and-mobiles.html#comment-8973</guid>
		<description>I am a biomedical scientist (retired) and have been trained not to trust anything you cant test for!  After years of terrible headaches fatigue and feeling sick when I stay indoors, I removed my dect phone, switched off my mobile and am slowly painting the connecting wall as my neighbour has WiFi.&lt;br /&gt;This has helped quite a bit, but I still cant stay in my home all day. My main problem is not really believing what I cant test for but until I get an answer, I&#039;ll carry on doing whatever is needed to stop the headaches.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a biomedical scientist (retired) and have been trained not to trust anything you cant test for!  After years of terrible headaches fatigue and feeling sick when I stay indoors, I removed my dect phone, switched off my mobile and am slowly painting the connecting wall as my neighbour has WiFi.<br />This has helped quite a bit, but I still cant stay in my home all day. My main problem is not really believing what I cant test for but until I get an answer, I&#39;ll carry on doing whatever is needed to stop the headaches.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Le Canard Noir</title>
		<link>http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/04/electrosensitivity-caused-by-wi-fi-and.html#comment-8824</link>
		<dc:creator>Le Canard Noir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 16:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2007/04/electrosensitivity-caused-by-wi-fi-and-mobiles.html#comment-8824</guid>
		<description>Anonymous - the best of these tests are taking your considerations into account, for example comparing unblinded with blinded reactions. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I am also very suspicious of &#039;Russian Experiments&#039;. If we cannot get access to translated versions of the papers then we really cannot discuss them. All we are doing is discussing second hand hearsay about them - and there has been lots of misrepresentation in this field.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You are right though about drop outs in some studies - this is a concern. But it is also not evidence that there is an effet. Remember, plausibility counts against the hypothesis that EM has direct health implications. We are still short of any good data or science to suggest that this is real.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anonymous &#8211; the best of these tests are taking your considerations into account, for example comparing unblinded with blinded reactions. </p>
<p>I am also very suspicious of &#39;Russian Experiments&#39;. If we cannot get access to translated versions of the papers then we really cannot discuss them. All we are doing is discussing second hand hearsay about them &#8211; and there has been lots of misrepresentation in this field.</p>
<p>You are right though about drop outs in some studies &#8211; this is a concern. But it is also not evidence that there is an effet. Remember, plausibility counts against the hypothesis that EM has direct health implications. We are still short of any good data or science to suggest that this is real.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/04/electrosensitivity-caused-by-wi-fi-and.html#comment-8823</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 15:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2007/04/electrosensitivity-caused-by-wi-fi-and-mobiles.html#comment-8823</guid>
		<description>One point to make is that when removed from sources of EMF&#039;s for long enough, sufferers of electrosensitivity have no symptoms. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If they are exposed again, their symptoms return, even if they are not aware of exposure.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Sometimes it may take a cumulative effect of EMF exposure to give a response in a controlled experiment, or the response be delayed according to internal homeostatic balance. One cannot just sit a person down with a mobile phone and expect them to react immediately, they may become ill hrs or days after the exposure, unrecorded.  Thus the results may be biased. From what I understand one of the major studies cited, the Essex study, a number of individuals most sensitive, had to be removed from the experiment as they became too ill. This would have biased the eventual results, removing subjects from the experimental group that showed potentially the greatest effects.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In Russian studies they have used much longer term exposure to RF and microwave frequencies, and shown much more profound bioeffects at very much lower exposure limits. Long term exposure appears to eventually push the body&#039;s capacity to adapt to the stress of microwaves over a threshhold . The sensitivity then becomes apparent. This has been shown in Russian experiments. Western experiments have generally been too short term.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One point to make is that when removed from sources of EMF&#39;s for long enough, sufferers of electrosensitivity have no symptoms. </p>
<p>If they are exposed again, their symptoms return, even if they are not aware of exposure.</p>
<p>Sometimes it may take a cumulative effect of EMF exposure to give a response in a controlled experiment, or the response be delayed according to internal homeostatic balance. One cannot just sit a person down with a mobile phone and expect them to react immediately, they may become ill hrs or days after the exposure, unrecorded.  Thus the results may be biased. From what I understand one of the major studies cited, the Essex study, a number of individuals most sensitive, had to be removed from the experiment as they became too ill. This would have biased the eventual results, removing subjects from the experimental group that showed potentially the greatest effects.</p>
<p>In Russian studies they have used much longer term exposure to RF and microwave frequencies, and shown much more profound bioeffects at very much lower exposure limits. Long term exposure appears to eventually push the body&#39;s capacity to adapt to the stress of microwaves over a threshhold . The sensitivity then becomes apparent. This has been shown in Russian experiments. Western experiments have generally been too short term.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/04/electrosensitivity-caused-by-wi-fi-and.html#comment-7110</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 14:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2007/04/electrosensitivity-caused-by-wi-fi-and-mobiles.html#comment-7110</guid>
		<description>I&#039;m on the fence on this one but....if someone were to claim that they had allergic reactions to seafood or nuts, (this is similar in that it is experienced in a relative minority of people) they would not be met with so much scepticism.Maybe some people are wrongly attributing symptoms to EMF&#039;s but are these people always wrong in their perceived link between cause and effect? Whilst we don&#039;t fully understand a mechanism which could cause such symptoms in &#039;hypersensitives&#039; I will be cautious of dismissing EMF&#039;s as a cause of such symptoms - there&#039;s a lot which remains unknown with regards to EMF&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m on the fence on this one but&#8230;.if someone were to claim that they had allergic reactions to seafood or nuts, (this is similar in that it is experienced in a relative minority of people) they would not be met with so much scepticism.Maybe some people are wrongly attributing symptoms to EMF&#8217;s but are these people always wrong in their perceived link between cause and effect? Whilst we don&#8217;t fully understand a mechanism which could cause such symptoms in &#8216;hypersensitives&#8217; I will be cautious of dismissing EMF&#8217;s as a cause of such symptoms &#8211; there&#8217;s a lot which remains unknown with regards to EMF&#8217;s.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: BelieveitOrNot</title>
		<link>http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/04/electrosensitivity-caused-by-wi-fi-and.html#comment-5492</link>
		<dc:creator>BelieveitOrNot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 02:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2007/04/electrosensitivity-caused-by-wi-fi-and-mobiles.html#comment-5492</guid>
		<description>It is interesting, so many people on here debating an issue that is already recognized as been real (those who deny need to wake up and catch up).  Did you know some surgeons get this from work? Some doctors have it?  Some scientists have it? In Sweden, it is a disability?  Some personnel get it from working with MRI&#039;s. This issue is quite old actually, and has been around since 1940s. It is not new, and not psychological.  We should not equate psychology to things we do not understand, as that is just a witty way of saying &quot;I&#039;m ignorant on this one&quot;.  One &quot;provocative&quot; research study proves nothing.  History has talk us that if the research isn&#039;t conducted right, you will not get the results you seek. You cannot create every &quot;wordly&quot; situation in a lab.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is interesting, so many people on here debating an issue that is already recognized as been real (those who deny need to wake up and catch up).  Did you know some surgeons get this from work? Some doctors have it?  Some scientists have it? In Sweden, it is a disability?  Some personnel get it from working with MRI&#8217;s. This issue is quite old actually, and has been around since 1940s. It is not new, and not psychological.  We should not equate psychology to things we do not understand, as that is just a witty way of saying &#8220;I&#8217;m ignorant on this one&#8221;.  One &#8220;provocative&#8221; research study proves nothing.  History has talk us that if the research isn&#8217;t conducted right, you will not get the results you seek. You cannot create every &#8220;wordly&#8221; situation in a lab.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Carol</title>
		<link>http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/04/electrosensitivity-caused-by-wi-fi-and.html#comment-5205</link>
		<dc:creator>Carol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 18:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2007/04/electrosensitivity-caused-by-wi-fi-and-mobiles.html#comment-5205</guid>
		<description>Please read &#039;Cell Towers: Wireless Convenience? or Environmental Hazard&#039; by B. Blake Levitt for the truth about how &#039;safe&#039; EMF exposure is. And this isn&#039;t &#039;just&#039; cell towers and WiFi. No. None of this electromagnetic junk we&#039;ve been creating is safe, and there are profitable industries intent at keeping the truth from the public. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I suffer from ES, and I&#039;ve proven it with a gaussmeter. Turn in your cell phone and buy a gaussmeter instead and prove it to yourself f you are sick! And then get tested for Lyme and coinfections, too, because the two work hand-in-hand - artificial electromagnetic fields CAUSING my chronic Lyme!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please read &#8216;Cell Towers: Wireless Convenience? or Environmental Hazard&#8217; by B. Blake Levitt for the truth about how &#8217;safe&#8217; EMF exposure is. And this isn&#8217;t &#8216;just&#8217; cell towers and WiFi. No. None of this electromagnetic junk we&#8217;ve been creating is safe, and there are profitable industries intent at keeping the truth from the public. </p>
<p>I suffer from ES, and I&#8217;ve proven it with a gaussmeter. Turn in your cell phone and buy a gaussmeter instead and prove it to yourself f you are sick! And then get tested for Lyme and coinfections, too, because the two work hand-in-hand &#8211; artificial electromagnetic fields CAUSING my chronic Lyme!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>

