Comments on: Holfordism: Understanding Patrick, Optimum Nutrition, and the Nutritionist Industry http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/05/holfordism-understanding-patrick.html Experiments and Thoughts on Quackery, Health Beliefs and Pseudoscience Thu, 09 Feb 2012 21:47:47 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Will http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/05/holfordism-understanding-patrick.html#comment-14653 Will Tue, 12 Apr 2011 11:32:23 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2007/05/holfordism-understanding-patrick-optimum-nutrition-and-the-nutritionist-industry.html#comment-14653 Lynnie the Pooh: "It is all very confusing for a pragmatic, busy, person" Don't take yourself so seriously. It really isn't, and we can all make time for taking care of ourselves. If you don't, you're going to get ill. "who just wants to be healthy and fit whilst entering older age" Admirable sentiments. "and still enjoy good meals and fine wines" Do that in moderation. "travel" Do as you budget allows. "friendship, cultural stuff." Do as much as you can. "I thought I still had enough mind and remnants of education left to make choices based on a fairly level headed assessment…." But you're making it too complicated. Everyone knows the common sense rules of living healthily. What ever can you be prioritising over eating a healthy and varied diet and getting some exercise? If your genes dictate that you're going to die of this or that then that's what'll happen. "So why is itnall[sic] so confusing?" See, it really isn't... Just beware of bullshit. If it sounds too good to be true, it probably isn't. Lynnie the Pooh:

“It is all very confusing for a pragmatic, busy, person”

Don’t take yourself so seriously. It really isn’t, and we can all make time for taking care of ourselves. If you don’t, you’re going to get ill.

“who just wants to be healthy and fit whilst entering older age”

Admirable sentiments.

“and still enjoy good meals and fine wines”

Do that in moderation.

“travel”

Do as you budget allows.

“friendship, cultural stuff.”

Do as much as you can.

“I thought I still had enough mind and remnants of education left to make choices based on a fairly level headed assessment….”

But you’re making it too complicated. Everyone knows the common sense rules of living healthily. What ever can you be prioritising over eating a healthy and varied diet and getting some exercise? If your genes dictate that you’re going to die of this or that then that’s what’ll happen.

“So why is itnall[sic] so confusing?”

See, it really isn’t… Just beware of bullshit. If it sounds too good to be true, it probably isn’t.

]]> By: Lynnie the Pooh http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/05/holfordism-understanding-patrick.html#comment-14645 Lynnie the Pooh Sat, 09 Apr 2011 05:08:38 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2007/05/holfordism-understanding-patrick-optimum-nutrition-and-the-nutritionist-industry.html#comment-14645 It is all very confusing for a pragmatic, busy, person who just wants to be healthy and fit whilst entering older age and still enjoy good meals and fine wines, travel, friendship, cultural stuff. I thought I still had enough mind and remnants of education left to make choices based on a fairly level headed assessment.... So why is itnall so confusing? It is all very confusing for a pragmatic, busy, person who just wants to be healthy and fit whilst entering older age and still enjoy good meals and fine wines, travel, friendship, cultural stuff. I thought I
still had enough mind and remnants of education left to make choices based on a fairly level headed assessment…. So why is itnall so confusing?

]]> By: Colons http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/05/holfordism-understanding-patrick.html#comment-14383 Colons Mon, 21 Feb 2011 23:06:18 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2007/05/holfordism-understanding-patrick-optimum-nutrition-and-the-nutritionist-industry.html#comment-14383 Drugs in all need to be tested, the best diet supplement i find is sensa, since it controls the way you eat instead of just losing the weight and gaining it back. Drugs in all need to be tested, the best diet supplement i find is sensa, since it controls the way you eat instead of just losing the weight and gaining it back.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/05/holfordism-understanding-patrick.html#comment-8748 Anonymous Fri, 21 Aug 2009 15:35:05 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2007/05/holfordism-understanding-patrick-optimum-nutrition-and-the-nutritionist-industry.html#comment-8748 I have no problem with allopathic medicine. Trust me, if I get sick I'm exhausting all avenues! But I think it's dangerous for the medical community to be the only option for people. It's not complete and it's fallible, and doctors never (almost never) recommend alternative treatments as a complementary option to their treatments. I agree there is not much data to support orthomolecular practices, food therapy or energy work. But why not? Do you agree that money should be available for research into these alternative therapies? I have no problem with allopathic medicine. Trust me, if I get sick I'm exhausting all avenues! But I think it's dangerous for the medical community to be the only option for people. It's not complete and it's fallible, and doctors never (almost never) recommend alternative treatments as a complementary option to their treatments. I agree there is not much data to support orthomolecular practices, food therapy or energy work. But why not? Do you agree that money should be available for research into these alternative therapies?

]]> By: Le Canard Noir http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/05/holfordism-understanding-patrick.html#comment-8746 Le Canard Noir Fri, 21 Aug 2009 05:24:07 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2007/05/holfordism-understanding-patrick-optimum-nutrition-and-the-nutritionist-industry.html#comment-8746 Anonymous - the answer is in my first response to you - evidence.<br /><br />Of course I believe in alternatives to drugs - medicine is full of alternatives to drugs - everything from counselling to surgery - and yes, diet plays an important role in health.<br /><br />But - and here is the big but - when dealing with ill people then treatments should be backed by good evidence and sound reasoning. The orthomolecular approach lacks these - as I take care to describe. Undoubtedly peopl feel attracted to such approaches as they are superficially appealling - and this what the nutritionist industry (worth billions) exploits to the full.<br /><br />I am sorryo to hear about yout Sister-I-L. There are still many conditions or which medicine cannot cure - that does not mean that alternatives have the answers - if they did, they would cease to be alternative medicine and just be medicine. I fear your use of the derogatory term 'allopath' creates a false dichotomy in the your worldview that may lead to some bad decisions. Anonymous – the answer is in my first response to you – evidence.

Of course I believe in alternatives to drugs – medicine is full of alternatives to drugs – everything from counselling to surgery – and yes, diet plays an important role in health.

But – and here is the big but – when dealing with ill people then treatments should be backed by good evidence and sound reasoning. The orthomolecular approach lacks these – as I take care to describe. Undoubtedly peopl feel attracted to such approaches as they are superficially appealling – and this what the nutritionist industry (worth billions) exploits to the full.

I am sorryo to hear about yout Sister-I-L. There are still many conditions or which medicine cannot cure – that does not mean that alternatives have the answers – if they did, they would cease to be alternative medicine and just be medicine. I fear your use of the derogatory term 'allopath' creates a false dichotomy in the your worldview that may lead to some bad decisions.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/05/holfordism-understanding-patrick.html#comment-8745 Anonymous Fri, 21 Aug 2009 03:19:14 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2007/05/holfordism-understanding-patrick-optimum-nutrition-and-the-nutritionist-industry.html#comment-8745 Ok. I'm really not here to fight. I just want to know why you cannot accept that there are alternative therapies besides drugs that can change your life? To me it's a no-brainer. Whatever can acheive optimal health in one's life works. To deny it does a disservice to those in need. I and my family members are living proof. My diabetic father was helped, a prominent Canadian citizen with multiple sclerosis was helped and I, Robyn Poirier, was helped with my anxiey attacks thanks to a severe diet change. I did not read your "anonymous" poilcy beforehand. My bad. But don't knock it till you try it. I am starting my sister-in-law with an orthomolecular practitioner because she has muscular dystrophy and she's slowly dying. Not one allopathic doctor has been able to help her and until you're desperate and have no one else to turn to for help, you should have no judgment. Ok. I'm really not here to fight. I just want to know why you cannot accept that there are alternative therapies besides drugs that can change your life? To me it's a no-brainer. Whatever can acheive optimal health in one's life works. To deny it does a disservice to those in need. I and my family members are living proof. My diabetic father was helped, a prominent Canadian citizen with multiple sclerosis was helped and I, Robyn Poirier, was helped with my anxiey attacks thanks to a severe diet change. I did not read your "anonymous" poilcy beforehand. My bad. But don't knock it till you try it. I am starting my sister-in-law with an orthomolecular practitioner because she has muscular dystrophy and she's slowly dying. Not one allopathic doctor has been able to help her and until you're desperate and have no one else to turn to for help, you should have no judgment.

]]> By: Le Canard Noir http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/05/holfordism-understanding-patrick.html#comment-8744 Le Canard Noir Wed, 19 Aug 2009 22:44:23 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2007/05/holfordism-understanding-patrick-optimum-nutrition-and-the-nutritionist-industry.html#comment-8744 Come on then brave Anonymous (did you read my comments policy?). Let's see your evidence that "supplements can eradicate Type 2 diabetes, cure multiple sclerosis and help with depression and anxiety attacks"<br /><br />Your best references for each claim please. Let's see who is an uninformed dude. Can't wait. Come on then brave Anonymous (did you read my comments policy?). Let's see your evidence that "supplements can eradicate Type 2 diabetes, cure multiple sclerosis and help with depression and anxiety attacks"

Your best references for each claim please. Let's see who is an uninformed dude. Can't wait.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/05/holfordism-understanding-patrick.html#comment-8743 Anonymous Wed, 19 Aug 2009 22:34:15 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2007/05/holfordism-understanding-patrick-optimum-nutrition-and-the-nutritionist-industry.html#comment-8743 Wow! Whoever wrote this article is one angry and uninformed dude! The food and supplements one comsumes can eradicate Type 2 diabetes, cure multiple sclerosis and help with depression and anxiety attacks. And these are just examples that I have experienced firsthand. I believe in free speech but it's really a shame that people like this get a forum to voice their narcissistic views and ill-informed rants. Wow! Whoever wrote this article is one angry and uninformed dude! The food and supplements one comsumes can eradicate Type 2 diabetes, cure multiple sclerosis and help with depression and anxiety attacks. And these are just examples that I have experienced firsthand. I believe in free speech but it's really a shame that people like this get a forum to voice their narcissistic views and ill-informed rants.

]]> By: Le Canard Noir http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/05/holfordism-understanding-patrick.html#comment-8483 Le Canard Noir Mon, 22 Jun 2009 20:55:45 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2007/05/holfordism-understanding-patrick-optimum-nutrition-and-the-nutritionist-industry.html#comment-8483 "And don't think you stay healthy from what you get in the supermarket"<br /><br />A classic example of the thoroughly irresponsible side of nutritional therapists. You make my case for me. "And don't think you stay healthy from what you get in the supermarket"

A classic example of the thoroughly irresponsible side of nutritional therapists. You make my case for me.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/05/holfordism-understanding-patrick.html#comment-8481 Anonymous Mon, 22 Jun 2009 18:27:01 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2007/05/holfordism-understanding-patrick-optimum-nutrition-and-the-nutritionist-industry.html#comment-8481 Nutritional Medicine has helped my family and my friends with several illnesses.<br />You are what you eat.And don't think you stay healthy from what you get in the supermarket<br /><br />Times are changing: codex alumentarius Nutritional Medicine has helped my family and my friends with several illnesses.
You are what you eat.And don't think you stay healthy from what you get in the supermarket

Times are changing: codex alumentarius

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