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		<title>By: gouxigiqqou</title>
		<link>http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/05/patrick-holford-and-scientology-church.html#comment-17132</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 08:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: dwykygy</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 09:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Chikako</title>
		<link>http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/05/patrick-holford-and-scientology-church.html#comment-17093</link>
		<dc:creator>Chikako</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 03:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Get a job? Who has the time? I spend my life standing in line. Waiting to be clothed or fed, not knowing tonight where I&#8217;ll lay my head. What was that? What did you say? Nothing to spare &amp; I&#8217;m in the way? I&#8217;m begging as humbly as I possibley can, it&#8217;s been a long day, please understand. A million times my feet slap the ground. No reason to stop, no place to slow down. I pound the pavement from morning to night, easily spotting those with my plight. Sleeping bags are a sure way to know, that they haven&#8217;t any real place to go. Backpacks are always a dead give away, that they&#8217;ll be standing in some line today. Give them a nod, a laugh or a smile because if they&#8217;re standing in line, they&#8217;ll be there a while. I just need a voucher or dollar or two, to wash my clothes so I won&#8217;t offend you. Three hours spent standing in line for 5 minutes to wash off the filth &amp; the grime. I look to strangers for kindness each day, I need your help please don&#8217;t walk away. If you must keep walking, just pass me by, but don&#8217;t try to peek from the side of your eye. I search all day to find a safe place, any hovel will do even the smallest of space. Where I won&#8217;t be told to &#8220;get up &amp; go&#8221;, where I won&#8217;t be froze &amp; wet head to toe.  With the curb as my pillow &amp; the steet as my home, I&#8217;m surrounded by people but I&#8217;m always alone. I know that sometimes I may not seem &#8220;right&#8221;, please don&#8217;t be rude it&#8217;s been a long night. If I bum a smoke or ask you your name, please don&#8217;t ignore me, my needs aren&#8217;t a game. Poverty kills all hope &amp; all dreams &amp; being homeless is worse than I make it seem. No hope for a mate, a family or life, just me &amp; the streets paved with heartache &amp; strife. I keep on moving while tragically knowing, I&#8217;m headed nowhere with no place to be going. I can escape to the mall or the airport sometimes &amp; pretend for a minute this nightmares not mine.  Sheltered for a night, a moment not more, knowing the morning has nothing in store. I&#8217;m not ungreatful, don&#8217;t get me wrong, it&#8217;s just been a long month, it keeps dragging on. Trying to search my way out of this hell &amp; forgetting that once my life was well. All my lifes effort came crashing down. I lost my house &amp; my life without a sound. If my house had burned down or a tornado had hit, it would&#8217;ve been easier than my notice to quit. All I want is a place of. My own, nothing great just a spot to call home. I don&#8217;t mean to sound trite when you have to say no, it&#8217;s just been a long life &amp; I&#8217;ve nowhere to go. So please be kind it&#8217;s been a long year, one of these days it could be you standing here. I pray to the lord it&#8217;ll all end in time, and I will finally reach the end of this line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Get a job? Who has the time? I spend my life standing in line. Waiting to be clothed or fed, not knowing tonight where I&#8217;ll lay my head. What was that? What did you say? Nothing to spare &amp; I&#8217;m in the way? I&#8217;m begging as humbly as I possibley can, it&#8217;s been a long day, please understand. A million times my feet slap the ground. No reason to stop, no place to slow down. I pound the pavement from morning to night, easily spotting those with my plight. Sleeping bags are a sure way to know, that they haven&#8217;t any real place to go. Backpacks are always a dead give away, that they&#8217;ll be standing in some line today. Give them a nod, a laugh or a smile because if they&#8217;re standing in line, they&#8217;ll be there a while. I just need a voucher or dollar or two, to wash my clothes so I won&#8217;t offend you. Three hours spent standing in line for 5 minutes to wash off the filth &amp; the grime. I look to strangers for kindness each day, I need your help please don&#8217;t walk away. If you must keep walking, just pass me by, but don&#8217;t try to peek from the side of your eye. I search all day to find a safe place, any hovel will do even the smallest of space. Where I won&#8217;t be told to &#8220;get up &amp; go&#8221;, where I won&#8217;t be froze &amp; wet head to toe.  With the curb as my pillow &amp; the steet as my home, I&#8217;m surrounded by people but I&#8217;m always alone. I know that sometimes I may not seem &#8220;right&#8221;, please don&#8217;t be rude it&#8217;s been a long night. If I bum a smoke or ask you your name, please don&#8217;t ignore me, my needs aren&#8217;t a game. Poverty kills all hope &amp; all dreams &amp; being homeless is worse than I make it seem. No hope for a mate, a family or life, just me &amp; the streets paved with heartache &amp; strife. I keep on moving while tragically knowing, I&#8217;m headed nowhere with no place to be going. I can escape to the mall or the airport sometimes &amp; pretend for a minute this nightmares not mine.  Sheltered for a night, a moment not more, knowing the morning has nothing in store. I&#8217;m not ungreatful, don&#8217;t get me wrong, it&#8217;s just been a long month, it keeps dragging on. Trying to search my way out of this hell &amp; forgetting that once my life was well. All my lifes effort came crashing down. I lost my house &amp; my life without a sound. If my house had burned down or a tornado had hit, it would&#8217;ve been easier than my notice to quit. All I want is a place of. My own, nothing great just a spot to call home. I don&#8217;t mean to sound trite when you have to say no, it&#8217;s just been a long life &amp; I&#8217;ve nowhere to go. So please be kind it&#8217;s been a long year, one of these days it could be you standing here. I pray to the lord it&#8217;ll all end in time, and I will finally reach the end of this line.</p>
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		<title>By: lecanardnoir</title>
		<link>http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/05/patrick-holford-and-scientology-church.html#comment-15954</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Oct 2011 06:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Louise,

If you wish to get a better understanding of he rigour of Patrick Holford&#039;s work and how many food myths are perpetuated by vitamin pill entrepreneurs then I suggest you read the book &lt;i&gt;Bad Science&lt;/i&gt; by Ben Goldacre.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Louise,</p>
<p>If you wish to get a better understanding of he rigour of Patrick Holford&#8217;s work and how many food myths are perpetuated by vitamin pill entrepreneurs then I suggest you read the book <i>Bad Science</i> by Ben Goldacre.</p>
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		<title>By: Louise</title>
		<link>http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/05/patrick-holford-and-scientology-church.html#comment-15953</link>
		<dc:creator>Louise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Oct 2011 01:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patrick is a sensible man who has discovered that many of today&#039;s illnesses can be helped (or cured) by vitamin therapy.  I&#039;ve read many books in this field and his stuff makes sense and it worked for me.

So many people today eat food which is nutritionally deficient - it&#039;s possible, for the first time in history, to stuff your face all day and yet to consume ZERO vitamins or minerals.  Many people are totally malnourished and - guess what - this severely compromises their health!  Depression, diabetes, obesity, heart disease, eczema, asthma etc. etc.  - look around you folks!  Are we healthier than we used to be or not?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick is a sensible man who has discovered that many of today&#8217;s illnesses can be helped (or cured) by vitamin therapy.  I&#8217;ve read many books in this field and his stuff makes sense and it worked for me.</p>
<p>So many people today eat food which is nutritionally deficient &#8211; it&#8217;s possible, for the first time in history, to stuff your face all day and yet to consume ZERO vitamins or minerals.  Many people are totally malnourished and &#8211; guess what &#8211; this severely compromises their health!  Depression, diabetes, obesity, heart disease, eczema, asthma etc. etc.  &#8211; look around you folks!  Are we healthier than we used to be or not?</p>
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		<title>By: neal</title>
		<link>http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/05/patrick-holford-and-scientology-church.html#comment-12127</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 20:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s sad to see who the devil has convinced that there is no God. I would also have to say that Scientology fell off there rocker a long time ago</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s sad to see who the devil has convinced that there is no God. I would also have to say that Scientology fell off there rocker a long time ago</p>
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		<title>By: Le Canard Noir</title>
		<link>http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/05/patrick-holford-and-scientology-church.html#comment-8736</link>
		<dc:creator>Le Canard Noir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 06:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is the first time I have been accused of working for the &#039;Big Fat&#039; industry!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If you are interested in Holford and what he say about diabetes then I would suggest you read here and watch the video.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;http://holfordwatch.info/holford-myths/myth-the-scientific-support-for-chromium-and-cinnamon/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is the first time I have been accused of working for the &#39;Big Fat&#39; industry!</p>
<p>If you are interested in Holford and what he say about diabetes then I would suggest you read here and watch the video.</p>
<p><a href="http://holfordwatch.info/holford-myths/myth-the-scientific-support-for-chromium-and-cinnamon/" rel="nofollow">http://holfordwatch.info/holford-myths/myth-the-scientific-support-for-chromium-and-cinnamon/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/05/patrick-holford-and-scientology-church.html#comment-8735</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 23:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This sounds like poison pen / back biting to me who are you? what are your credentials? If you are so sure and so secure go to his meetings with the Press and face him out. I am not impressed by his use of supplements either but his recipes using fresh foods and recommendations for healthy eating all seem very sensible from a diabetics perspective. In reality the really Big Money is behind the sale of sugary and fatty foods are you one of their minions perhaps? Are you trying to save their profit margins by casting doubts on what Holford says by spuriously linking him to Scientology you sound very bitter is Holford upsetting the multi national&#039;s profit margins selling obesity inducing products?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This sounds like poison pen / back biting to me who are you? what are your credentials? If you are so sure and so secure go to his meetings with the Press and face him out. I am not impressed by his use of supplements either but his recipes using fresh foods and recommendations for healthy eating all seem very sensible from a diabetics perspective. In reality the really Big Money is behind the sale of sugary and fatty foods are you one of their minions perhaps? Are you trying to save their profit margins by casting doubts on what Holford says by spuriously linking him to Scientology you sound very bitter is Holford upsetting the multi national&#39;s profit margins selling obesity inducing products?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/05/patrick-holford-and-scientology-church.html#comment-6539</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 18:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hooray, I&#039;m thoroughly enjoying this debate.  As a qualified nutritionist, I&#039;m sick and tired of listening to the disciples of Patrick Holford who just regurgitate his words without actually understanding or trying to do a little research on what he says.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hooray, I&#8217;m thoroughly enjoying this debate.  As a qualified nutritionist, I&#8217;m sick and tired of listening to the disciples of Patrick Holford who just regurgitate his words without actually understanding or trying to do a little research on what he says.</p>
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		<title>By: Le Canard Noir</title>
		<link>http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/05/patrick-holford-and-scientology-church.html#comment-6523</link>
		<dc:creator>Le Canard Noir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 23:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michelle - what you have done in quoting the Davis paper is exactly the sort of overstatement and misinterpretation that makes nutritional therapists so unreliable.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The Davis paper is &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.jacn.org/cgi/content/full/23/6/669&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here.&lt;/a&gt; (always good to give references - have you read the paper?)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Most noticeably, Davis makes it quite clear - &quot;our study is not useful for estimating possible effects on dietary intakes&quot;. This is exactly what you have done by being selective and over-interpretive.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The study has severe limitations. For example, it is stated that &quot;We focused on one class of foods and an interesting biological phenomenon, without selecting foods based on their national consumption or contribution to nutrient intakes.&quot; And so any comment on the consequences of nutritional intake is futile. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;More seriously, their analyses only take into account random errors. No corrections for systematic biases are made - and this is made clear. Over fifty years - you might expect some big biases to creep in in analytical measurements. They suggest their results may well be best explained by different cultivars used 50 years apart. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Cautiously, they add that if there are real differences in staples being depleted, then a change in diet may be the best course - not vitamin pills. Reassuringly they close with a statement showing how implausible severe depletion of nutrients is: &quot;Plant cells require most human nutrients for their own functioning. They cannot grow, much less be viable commercial food crops, without synthesizing or acquiring their own needed levels of a broad range of nutrients. Thus, no whole plant food can be as broadly depleted of nutrients as are refined sugars and separated fats and oils.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;In summary, the evidence from this paper that there is a serious depletion in the nutritional content of food is very weak and there are better explanations for the results than an implausible catastrophic reduction.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;You conclude with some bizarre reference to religious belief. Not everyone is superstitious you know. My post above shows that nutritional therapy has much in common with daft superstitious belief. Both are selective in their view of evidence and unable to respond to criticism and scientific scrutiny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michelle &#8211; what you have done in quoting the Davis paper is exactly the sort of overstatement and misinterpretation that makes nutritional therapists so unreliable.</p>
<p>The Davis paper is <a HREF="http://www.jacn.org/cgi/content/full/23/6/669" REL="nofollow" rel="nofollow">here.</a> (always good to give references &#8211; have you read the paper?)</p>
<p>Most noticeably, Davis makes it quite clear &#8211; &#8220;our study is not useful for estimating possible effects on dietary intakes&#8221;. This is exactly what you have done by being selective and over-interpretive.</p>
<p>The study has severe limitations. For example, it is stated that &#8220;We focused on one class of foods and an interesting biological phenomenon, without selecting foods based on their national consumption or contribution to nutrient intakes.&#8221; And so any comment on the consequences of nutritional intake is futile. </p>
<p>More seriously, their analyses only take into account random errors. No corrections for systematic biases are made &#8211; and this is made clear. Over fifty years &#8211; you might expect some big biases to creep in in analytical measurements. They suggest their results may well be best explained by different cultivars used 50 years apart. </p>
<p>Cautiously, they add that if there are real differences in staples being depleted, then a change in diet may be the best course &#8211; not vitamin pills. Reassuringly they close with a statement showing how implausible severe depletion of nutrients is: &#8220;Plant cells require most human nutrients for their own functioning. They cannot grow, much less be viable commercial food crops, without synthesizing or acquiring their own needed levels of a broad range of nutrients. Thus, no whole plant food can be as broadly depleted of nutrients as are refined sugars and separated fats and oils.&#8221;</p>
<p>In summary, the evidence from this paper that there is a serious depletion in the nutritional content of food is very weak and there are better explanations for the results than an implausible catastrophic reduction.</p>
<p>You conclude with some bizarre reference to religious belief. Not everyone is superstitious you know. My post above shows that nutritional therapy has much in common with daft superstitious belief. Both are selective in their view of evidence and unable to respond to criticism and scientific scrutiny.</p>
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