Comments on: If it Quacks Like a Horse http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/08/if-it-quacks-like-horse.html Experiments and Thoughts on Quackery, Health Beliefs and Pseudoscience Thu, 09 Feb 2012 21:47:47 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: John The Geophysicist http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/08/if-it-quacks-like-horse.html#comment-6994 John The Geophysicist Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:56:00 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2007/08/if-it-quacks-like-a-horse.html#comment-6994 Lee - You are an idiot. <br/><br/>Reiki was invented in 1922 (according to the Miasmic Herald) so hardly predates all other religions. <br/><br/>Certainly not the Buddhist religion - which you managed to spell incorrectly by the way.<br/><br/>It was invented by some nutter who starved himself on top of a mountain for three weeks and presumably hallucinated it into existence.<br/><br/>I dislike remote diagnossis of genuine medical problems but you are unbalanced if you think that doctors are the third major cause of death in the US.<br/><br/>Did you realise that in the US firemen are one of the major causes of houses burning down and are involved in nearly 100% of all fires.<br/><br/>Or is the causality wrong in both cases ?<br/><br/>Do you actually realise that doctors tend to get involved with people who are ill, sick or injured - to varying degrees of severity. Of course some of them die - it is difficult to re-attach a severed head.<br/><br/>And as for HY woo with respect to animals let me contribute my tuppenyha'penny worth. <br/><br/>My partner and me breed pedigree Maine Coon cats. There is a lot of woo in the cat world - most of it relating to HY.<br/><br/>The assumption on the part of the woo merchants is that cat owners will spend virtually any amount of money on Tiddles. This asumption is pretty much valid.<br/><br/>I even know a breeder and judge (of cat competitions, not people) who actually works for a pharma and yet who gives her cats HY "remedies".<br/><br/>The reason for this is that the HY remedies cure the illness (usually arse/liquid poo related) within 72 hours. Doing nothing apparently cures it within 3 days. How about that for a well quantified paradigm of medical efficaciousness.<br/><br/>I am not sure that all the vets who engage in HY hokum necessarily believe in it. I think some of them do it cynically because the pet owners want it.<br/><br/>I looked around at vets for our cattery (because we spend a load of money with the vet)and asked them if they used HY treatments. Some said yes, some said "no, but we could do if you wished" (bit cynical that one). One laughed at me as if I was an idiot and told me I must be joking.<br/><br/>Guess which one gets all my vets fees ?<br/><br/>Good post Canard. Once again you have pinpointed one of the many rollers in the incoming tide of mumbo-jumbo and quackery.<br/><br/>And shame on the morons who inflict this totally unfounded hokum on their animals.<br/>surf Lee – You are an idiot.

Reiki was invented in 1922 (according to the Miasmic Herald) so hardly predates all other religions.

Certainly not the Buddhist religion – which you managed to spell incorrectly by the way.

It was invented by some nutter who starved himself on top of a mountain for three weeks and presumably hallucinated it into existence.

I dislike remote diagnossis of genuine medical problems but you are unbalanced if you think that doctors are the third major cause of death in the US.

Did you realise that in the US firemen are one of the major causes of houses burning down and are involved in nearly 100% of all fires.

Or is the causality wrong in both cases ?

Do you actually realise that doctors tend to get involved with people who are ill, sick or injured – to varying degrees of severity. Of course some of them die – it is difficult to re-attach a severed head.

And as for HY woo with respect to animals let me contribute my tuppenyha’penny worth.

My partner and me breed pedigree Maine Coon cats. There is a lot of woo in the cat world – most of it relating to HY.

The assumption on the part of the woo merchants is that cat owners will spend virtually any amount of money on Tiddles. This asumption is pretty much valid.

I even know a breeder and judge (of cat competitions, not people) who actually works for a pharma and yet who gives her cats HY “remedies”.

The reason for this is that the HY remedies cure the illness (usually arse/liquid poo related) within 72 hours. Doing nothing apparently cures it within 3 days. How about that for a well quantified paradigm of medical efficaciousness.

I am not sure that all the vets who engage in HY hokum necessarily believe in it. I think some of them do it cynically because the pet owners want it.

I looked around at vets for our cattery (because we spend a load of money with the vet)and asked them if they used HY treatments. Some said yes, some said “no, but we could do if you wished” (bit cynical that one). One laughed at me as if I was an idiot and told me I must be joking.

Guess which one gets all my vets fees ?

Good post Canard. Once again you have pinpointed one of the many rollers in the incoming tide of mumbo-jumbo and quackery.

And shame on the morons who inflict this totally unfounded hokum on their animals.
surf

]]> By: Gazzer http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/08/if-it-quacks-like-horse.html#comment-6992 Gazzer Sat, 01 Nov 2008 12:01:00 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2007/08/if-it-quacks-like-a-horse.html#comment-6992 @Lee,<br/>It has already been tried. Professor. Edzard Ernst who is probably the world's leading expert on alternative medicine analyzed over 200 studies into Reiki. His conclusion:<br/><br/>" evidence is insufficient to suggest that reiki is an effective treatment for any condition. Therefore the value of reiki remains unproven." @Lee,
It has already been tried. Professor. Edzard Ernst who is probably the world’s leading expert on alternative medicine analyzed over 200 studies into Reiki. His conclusion:

” evidence is insufficient to suggest that reiki is an effective treatment for any condition. Therefore the value of reiki remains unproven.”

]]> By: beaugester http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/08/if-it-quacks-like-horse.html#comment-6991 beaugester Fri, 31 Oct 2008 22:52:00 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2007/08/if-it-quacks-like-a-horse.html#comment-6991 Lee, typing in CAPS is the same as SHOUTING. Please don't do it. Lee, typing in CAPS is the same as SHOUTING. Please don’t do it.

]]> By: LEE http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/08/if-it-quacks-like-horse.html#comment-5759 LEE Wed, 09 Jan 2008 01:37:00 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2007/08/if-it-quacks-like-a-horse.html#comment-5759 YOU CAN SAY WHAT YOU WANT, BUT REIKI IS VERY,VERY REAL. IT COMES FROM BUDHISM, PREDATING ALL OTHER RELIGIONS. I'VE MADE LOTS OF SKEPTICS INTO BELIEVERS, ESPECIALLY AT MY MASONIC LODGE AND THE ANIMAL SHELTER I VOLUNTEER AT.<br/>YOU SAY IT'S BULLSHIT, BUT PEOPLE HAVE ASKED ME TO STOP BECAUSE IT WAS TOO INTENSE/HOT FOR THEM. BEFORE YOU BASH SOMETHING PERHAPS YOU SHOULD TRY IT. IT IS ALSO ODD THAT YOU BASH BACH'S F.E.,WHEN LOTS OD DRUGS ARE DERIVED FROM LOTS OF PLANTS. DOCTORS ARE THE 3RD LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH IN THE U.S., I DON'T SEE THAT MENTIONED ANYWHERE ON YOUR SITE. YOU CAN SAY WHAT YOU WANT, BUT REIKI IS VERY,VERY REAL. IT COMES FROM BUDHISM, PREDATING ALL OTHER RELIGIONS. I’VE MADE LOTS OF SKEPTICS INTO BELIEVERS, ESPECIALLY AT MY MASONIC LODGE AND THE ANIMAL SHELTER I VOLUNTEER AT.
YOU SAY IT’S BULLSHIT, BUT PEOPLE HAVE ASKED ME TO STOP BECAUSE IT WAS TOO INTENSE/HOT FOR THEM. BEFORE YOU BASH SOMETHING PERHAPS YOU SHOULD TRY IT. IT IS ALSO ODD THAT YOU BASH BACH’S F.E.,WHEN LOTS OD DRUGS ARE DERIVED FROM LOTS OF PLANTS. DOCTORS ARE THE 3RD LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH IN THE U.S., I DON’T SEE THAT MENTIONED ANYWHERE ON YOUR SITE.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/08/if-it-quacks-like-horse.html#comment-5238 Anonymous Tue, 23 Oct 2007 20:13:00 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2007/08/if-it-quacks-like-a-horse.html#comment-5238 Liz from <a HREF="http://lizditz.typepad.com" REL="nofollow" rel="nofollow">I Speak of Dreams</a>. My pal EoR from Down Under used to keep a blog on a number of topics, including horse woo: <a HREF="" REL="nofollow" rel="nofollow">The Second Sight</a>.<br/><br/>EoR did not keep an index, but <a HREF="http://www.google.com/search?q=horse+site%3Athesecondsight.blogspot.com&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a" REL="nofollow" rel="nofollow">this is a link</a> to my goggle search.<br/><br/>If it doesn't work for you, try plugging these two into Google.<br/><br/>equine site:thesecondsight.blogspot.com<br/><br/>or <br/><br/>horse site:thesecondsight.blogspot.com Liz from I Speak of Dreams. My pal EoR from Down Under used to keep a blog on a number of topics, including horse woo: The Second Sight.

EoR did not keep an index, but this is a link to my goggle search.

If it doesn’t work for you, try plugging these two into Google.

equine site:thesecondsight.blogspot.com

or

horse site:thesecondsight.blogspot.com

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/08/if-it-quacks-like-horse.html#comment-5061 Anonymous Tue, 21 Aug 2007 14:02:00 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2007/08/if-it-quacks-like-a-horse.html#comment-5061 Alternative Horse Society? Turns out they actually are a society dedicated to chickens... Alternative Horse Society? Turns out they actually are a society dedicated to chickens…

]]> By: Symball http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/08/if-it-quacks-like-horse.html#comment-5060 Symball Tue, 21 Aug 2007 09:28:00 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2007/08/if-it-quacks-like-a-horse.html#comment-5060 My GF rides and through her I see so much quackery it is unbelievable. I haven't tried stopping her from using all of the supplements yet and that is the sensible end of the spectrum- her horses owner is so far out on the woo spectrum she makes the atlantis woman from the dawkins program look sane. Hair analysis (not scientific- dowsing hair samples)emotional freedom technique and knock off flower remedies are all regularly touted by her.<br/><br/>Bioflow are regular stall holders at the horse shows, so if anyone fancies a good laugh i'd reccomend an hour or two at a show- you can laso chuckle at the sight of stroppy rich kids falling off thier horses. My GF rides and through her I see so much quackery it is unbelievable. I haven’t tried stopping her from using all of the supplements yet and that is the sensible end of the spectrum- her horses owner is so far out on the woo spectrum she makes the atlantis woman from the dawkins program look sane. Hair analysis (not scientific- dowsing hair samples)emotional freedom technique and knock off flower remedies are all regularly touted by her.

Bioflow are regular stall holders at the horse shows, so if anyone fancies a good laugh i’d reccomend an hour or two at a show- you can laso chuckle at the sight of stroppy rich kids falling off thier horses.

]]> By: Le Canard Noir http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/08/if-it-quacks-like-horse.html#comment-5059 Le Canard Noir Tue, 21 Aug 2007 04:46:00 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2007/08/if-it-quacks-like-a-horse.html#comment-5059 I am not sure if your wealth makes any difference to you susceptibility to quackery. I would guess though that it makes a difference to the quacks that target you. I am not sure if your wealth makes any difference to you susceptibility to quackery. I would guess though that it makes a difference to the quacks that target you.

]]> By: Shinga http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/08/if-it-quacks-like-horse.html#comment-5058 Shinga Tue, 21 Aug 2007 00:20:00 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2007/08/if-it-quacks-like-a-horse.html#comment-5058 I don't know about the wealth-susceptibility link as I've sometimes been surprised at the number of people that I've met who don't have much money but are happy to fork out for a telephone call to a spiritualist or faith healer... I don’t know about the wealth-susceptibility link as I’ve sometimes been surprised at the number of people that I’ve met who don’t have much money but are happy to fork out for a telephone call to a spiritualist or faith healer…

]]> By: SciencePunk http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/08/if-it-quacks-like-horse.html#comment-5057 SciencePunk Mon, 20 Aug 2007 16:12:00 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2007/08/if-it-quacks-like-a-horse.html#comment-5057 Jesus wept, it's an unstoppable tide of nonsense, I tell thee.<br/><br/>Though in my mind there seems to be a strong correlation between wealth and susceptibility to nonsense. we should investigate. Jesus wept, it’s an unstoppable tide of nonsense, I tell thee.

Though in my mind there seems to be a strong correlation between wealth and susceptibility to nonsense. we should investigate.

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