Comments on: Bionetics: Untruthful Quacks, But Still Trading http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/09/bionetics-untruthful-quacks-but-still.html Experiments and Thoughts on Quackery, Health Beliefs and Pseudoscience Thu, 29 Jul 2010 20:52:56 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Andy http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/09/bionetics-untruthful-quacks-but-still.html#comment-12065 Andy Tue, 20 Jul 2010 13:11:22 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2007/09/bionetics-untruthful-quacks-but-still-trading.html#comment-12065 Wow. The quack credo. Do you learn this at quack school? Wow. The quack credo. Do you learn this at quack school?

]]> By: Jo http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/09/bionetics-untruthful-quacks-but-still.html#comment-12064 Jo Tue, 20 Jul 2010 12:20:28 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2007/09/bionetics-untruthful-quacks-but-still-trading.html#comment-12064 Hey guys, I know alot more people who have been cured, or at worse, in remission, from the use of alternative therapies (psych, herbal, nutritional med) but hardly anyone who have gone down the Western medicine approach. They only treat symptoms and just seem to make people sicker from side effects, reliant on more drugs to treat the problem the first caused. I also know of a few people who have lost their lives due to so-called 'preventative' Western meds so I know where the quacks really hang out! My own private GP said that their cures dont work as too limited and prefers to refer to alternative and my NHS GP will always suggest herbs/nutrients before reaching for the prescription pad. Double-blind placebo only works for simple equations like 1+1, the human body and mind is so much more complex than that and will always try to heal itself - it its given half the chance and not bombarded with poisons. I think this test is pretty acurate, I was shocked at how it pinpointed the only B vitamin I lack, B1, (I already knew and tested it as a practitioner). Hey guys,

I know alot more people who have been cured, or at worse, in remission, from the use of alternative therapies (psych, herbal, nutritional med) but hardly anyone who have gone down the Western medicine approach. They only treat symptoms and just seem to make people sicker from side effects, reliant on more drugs to treat the problem the first caused. I also know of a few people who have lost their lives due to so-called ‘preventative’ Western meds so I know where the quacks really hang out! My own private GP said that their cures dont work as too limited and prefers to refer to alternative and my NHS GP will always suggest herbs/nutrients before reaching for the prescription pad. Double-blind placebo only works for simple equations like 1+1, the human body and mind is so much more complex than that and will always try to heal itself – it its given half the chance and not bombarded with poisons. I think this test is pretty acurate, I was shocked at how it pinpointed the only B vitamin I lack, B1, (I already knew and tested it as a practitioner).

]]> By: richard http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/09/bionetics-untruthful-quacks-but-still.html#comment-11939 richard Fri, 11 Jun 2010 10:46:28 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2007/09/bionetics-untruthful-quacks-but-still-trading.html#comment-11939 sorry,thats richard and mandy pilkington,for the address above. sorry,thats richard and mandy pilkington,for the address above.

]]> By: richard http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/09/bionetics-untruthful-quacks-but-still.html#comment-11937 richard Fri, 11 Jun 2010 09:23:24 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2007/09/bionetics-untruthful-quacks-but-still-trading.html#comment-11937 the company is not being run from surry any more but from honey suckle,cottage,high st,fincham norfolk, the company is not being run from surry any more but from honey suckle,cottage,high st,fincham norfolk,

]]> By: Antares http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/09/bionetics-untruthful-quacks-but-still.html#comment-11838 Antares Fri, 14 May 2010 10:09:27 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2007/09/bionetics-untruthful-quacks-but-still-trading.html#comment-11838 May I suggest Bronze Dog's response to this type of argument? http://rockstarramblings.blogspot.com/2009/11/doggerel-216-why-are-you-so-angry.html May I suggest Bronze Dog’s response to this type of argument?

http://rockstarramblings.blogspot.com/2009/11/doggerel-216-why-are-you-so-angry.html

]]> By: Anonymous 2 http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/09/bionetics-untruthful-quacks-but-still.html#comment-11831 Anonymous 2 Thu, 13 May 2010 14:17:02 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2007/09/bionetics-untruthful-quacks-but-still-trading.html#comment-11831 Gosh, Canard Noir, you sound so bitter. Usually you have lost the argument when you start slinging personal abuse around. Gosh, Canard Noir, you sound so bitter. Usually you have lost the argument when you start slinging personal abuse around.

]]> By: Ed http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/09/bionetics-untruthful-quacks-but-still.html#comment-11786 Ed Sat, 08 May 2010 12:12:26 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2007/09/bionetics-untruthful-quacks-but-still-trading.html#comment-11786 Big Pharma scared by natural healthcare? They most certainly are. Have you heard of Codex Alimentarius? Big Pharma scared by natural healthcare?

They most certainly are. Have you heard of Codex Alimentarius?

]]> By: Le Canard Noir http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/09/bionetics-untruthful-quacks-but-still.html#comment-9181 Le Canard Noir Tue, 29 Dec 2009 14:47:56 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2007/09/bionetics-untruthful-quacks-but-still-trading.html#comment-9181 Well, you clearly are an idiot as I ask for a private identity and not just a generic Anonymous. You fail to appreciate why. <br /><br />And your idiocy does not stop there. Please supply your best evidence that 'Big Pharma' is 'terrified' about 'natural healthcare'. Your best evidence. Anything. Or are you just deluded about this?<br /><br />Nutritional Therapist. Degree Qualified = degree in baloney. To idiotic to realise that though. Well, you clearly are an idiot as I ask for a private identity and not just a generic Anonymous. You fail to appreciate why.

And your idiocy does not stop there. Please supply your best evidence that 'Big Pharma' is 'terrified' about 'natural healthcare'. Your best evidence. Anything. Or are you just deluded about this?

Nutritional Therapist. Degree Qualified = degree in baloney. To idiotic to realise that though.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/09/bionetics-untruthful-quacks-but-still.html#comment-9180 Anonymous Tue, 29 Dec 2009 12:53:32 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2007/09/bionetics-untruthful-quacks-but-still-trading.html#comment-9180 First of all I object to being called an idiot simply because I want to remain annonymous; my industry prevents me from rattling cages in natural healthcare debates to preserve our dignity.<br />I am however fed up with the beligerant rantings of 'anti-quackery' sites such as this, which do nothing to help anyone. The first rule of natural healthcare is to 'Do No Harm', it's a pity the big Pharma's don't adopt the same approach.<br />I agree scientific evidence is required before claims to cure can be made. There is masses of research available to show the efficacy of nutritional supplements when taken to balance a state of deficiency, and I have seen much improvement in my clients health with managed food group elimination diets.<br />The Pharma's are just terrified that natural healthcare will undermine their industry if allowed to thrive.<br />Nutritional Therapist. Degree Qualified. First of all I object to being called an idiot simply because I want to remain annonymous; my industry prevents me from rattling cages in natural healthcare debates to preserve our dignity.
I am however fed up with the beligerant rantings of 'anti-quackery' sites such as this, which do nothing to help anyone. The first rule of natural healthcare is to 'Do No Harm', it's a pity the big Pharma's don't adopt the same approach.
I agree scientific evidence is required before claims to cure can be made. There is masses of research available to show the efficacy of nutritional supplements when taken to balance a state of deficiency, and I have seen much improvement in my clients health with managed food group elimination diets.
The Pharma's are just terrified that natural healthcare will undermine their industry if allowed to thrive.
Nutritional Therapist. Degree Qualified.

]]> By: Le Canard Noir http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/09/bionetics-untruthful-quacks-but-still.html#comment-8709 Le Canard Noir Fri, 07 Aug 2009 09:43:09 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2007/09/bionetics-untruthful-quacks-but-still-trading.html#comment-8709 I find it patronising that you tell that I need to "learn and appreciate the features of free market economics." Why should that be?<br /><br />From my perspective, it looks like the height of naivety to believe that 'free market economics' can assess the medical efficacy of a treatment. Can you name any effective treatments that have become accepted purely though the workings of the market? Homeopathy has existed for 200 years - a simple placebo treatment - and the free market laps it up.<br /><br />From my point of view, an unconstrained market in healthcare operates inneficiently because it allows miriad false claims to be made that the consumer is largely unable to assess. Regulated markets allow better quality information to survive and hence allow more efficient markets. And pretty much all markets in the world operate in this way - whether it be markets in second hand cars or houses - regulation ensures that high quality information is made public and so allowing better choices to be made. I find it patronising that you tell that I need to "learn and appreciate the features of free market economics." Why should that be?

From my perspective, it looks like the height of naivety to believe that 'free market economics' can assess the medical efficacy of a treatment. Can you name any effective treatments that have become accepted purely though the workings of the market? Homeopathy has existed for 200 years – a simple placebo treatment – and the free market laps it up.

From my point of view, an unconstrained market in healthcare operates inneficiently because it allows miriad false claims to be made that the consumer is largely unable to assess. Regulated markets allow better quality information to survive and hence allow more efficient markets. And pretty much all markets in the world operate in this way – whether it be markets in second hand cars or houses – regulation ensures that high quality information is made public and so allowing better choices to be made.

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