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	<title>Comments on: The Spa of Embarrassing Ignorance</title>
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		<title>By: k sue</title>
		<link>http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/09/spa-of-embarassing-ignorance.html#comment-16242</link>
		<dc:creator>k sue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Nov 2011 16:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can tell you that one alternative therapy has worked for me.  I&#039;ve had psoriasis for 20 years plus.  Four months ago I tried using a traditional medicine approach.  I&#039;ve been taking a potion of 15 or so potent chinese herbs twice a day.  When I started, my psoriasis was on the verge of severe.  Wow!  What a difference--I am 90% clear now.  It has been amazing.  I did it online with a TCM doctor in Canada (seemed like the best one and I don&#039;t live in Canada).  He certainly did not act like a quack--no giant empty promises or crazy fees--much cheaper than the dermatologist who wanted to give me medication that causes birth defects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can tell you that one alternative therapy has worked for me.  I&#8217;ve had psoriasis for 20 years plus.  Four months ago I tried using a traditional medicine approach.  I&#8217;ve been taking a potion of 15 or so potent chinese herbs twice a day.  When I started, my psoriasis was on the verge of severe.  Wow!  What a difference&#8211;I am 90% clear now.  It has been amazing.  I did it online with a TCM doctor in Canada (seemed like the best one and I don&#8217;t live in Canada).  He certainly did not act like a quack&#8211;no giant empty promises or crazy fees&#8211;much cheaper than the dermatologist who wanted to give me medication that causes birth defects.</p>
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		<title>By: Biochemistry student</title>
		<link>http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/09/spa-of-embarassing-ignorance.html#comment-15967</link>
		<dc:creator>Biochemistry student</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2011 01:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This thread is depressing. Firstly, you all need to sit in a science lesson. And secondly, if &#039;detox&#039; is so great, why are its advocates spending all their time charging extortionate amounts for their &#039;therapies&#039; rather than campaigning to get it introduced to the NHS??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This thread is depressing. Firstly, you all need to sit in a science lesson. And secondly, if &#8216;detox&#8217; is so great, why are its advocates spending all their time charging extortionate amounts for their &#8216;therapies&#8217; rather than campaigning to get it introduced to the NHS??</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
		<link>http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/09/spa-of-embarassing-ignorance.html#comment-15071</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jun 2011 16:33:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all, I should state that I don&#039;t believe in the efficacy of detox diets - simply because there is no evidence to say they do what they say they do. However I believe that their psychological impact may be where people derive the most benefit; much like the placebo effect.

I think your analogy to religion is a very good and amusing one. However, while science has done more for human kind in the last hundred years than religion has since the beginning of time, Science really hasn&#039;t done much for our souls. It&#039;s possibly the reason for such a backlash against western medicine - medical doctors are not seen as &quot;healers&quot; but only as &quot;human body mechanics&quot;.

The fact is that psychological issues are also very much part of our make-up which affect our health and I believe it is this aspect that has made alternative therapies so popular. I am blessed with a wonderful doctor who remembers how much of a connection there is between psychology and illness (and it&#039;s interesting to note that Psychology was also, at one time, considered quackery) and so will take the time to talk to people about issues in their life that may be affecting their health.

I think Amanda Hamilton&#039;s Spa is doing more than just giving people a holiday and a rest. People are allowed to explore psychological issues that they otherwise wouldn&#039;t have. This coupled with good, natural food, rest and plenty of water is *in combination* what is so successful.

People are paying a high price in order to do their penance for health sins, but if this ritual of &quot;Detox&quot; helps them make a positive change in their lives without causing them harm, then surely it has it&#039;s place? I had a friend who was a drug addict but after having a religious experience he totally turned his life around. I could have debunked his experience but I didn&#039;t. He traded an addiction for drugs to one for God - at least now he is healthy and happy, just like many of the folks who visited Amanda Hamilton&#039;s Spa.

So in summary, I agree that detox is a lie and that people are paying big money for what is probably nothing more than a very expensive placebo (if studies are correct). I just think that alternative &quot;quack&quot; therapies still have a place until we have more of a middle ground between them and western, pharmaceutical company driven medicine.

Here is an example of pharmaceutical-driven medication with regards to SSRI&#039;s, which may be as effective as a Detox Diet - http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2011/jun/23/epidemic-mental-illness-why/?pagination=false</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all, I should state that I don&#8217;t believe in the efficacy of detox diets &#8211; simply because there is no evidence to say they do what they say they do. However I believe that their psychological impact may be where people derive the most benefit; much like the placebo effect.</p>
<p>I think your analogy to religion is a very good and amusing one. However, while science has done more for human kind in the last hundred years than religion has since the beginning of time, Science really hasn&#8217;t done much for our souls. It&#8217;s possibly the reason for such a backlash against western medicine &#8211; medical doctors are not seen as &#8220;healers&#8221; but only as &#8220;human body mechanics&#8221;.</p>
<p>The fact is that psychological issues are also very much part of our make-up which affect our health and I believe it is this aspect that has made alternative therapies so popular. I am blessed with a wonderful doctor who remembers how much of a connection there is between psychology and illness (and it&#8217;s interesting to note that Psychology was also, at one time, considered quackery) and so will take the time to talk to people about issues in their life that may be affecting their health.</p>
<p>I think Amanda Hamilton&#8217;s Spa is doing more than just giving people a holiday and a rest. People are allowed to explore psychological issues that they otherwise wouldn&#8217;t have. This coupled with good, natural food, rest and plenty of water is *in combination* what is so successful.</p>
<p>People are paying a high price in order to do their penance for health sins, but if this ritual of &#8220;Detox&#8221; helps them make a positive change in their lives without causing them harm, then surely it has it&#8217;s place? I had a friend who was a drug addict but after having a religious experience he totally turned his life around. I could have debunked his experience but I didn&#8217;t. He traded an addiction for drugs to one for God &#8211; at least now he is healthy and happy, just like many of the folks who visited Amanda Hamilton&#8217;s Spa.</p>
<p>So in summary, I agree that detox is a lie and that people are paying big money for what is probably nothing more than a very expensive placebo (if studies are correct). I just think that alternative &#8220;quack&#8221; therapies still have a place until we have more of a middle ground between them and western, pharmaceutical company driven medicine.</p>
<p>Here is an example of pharmaceutical-driven medication with regards to SSRI&#8217;s, which may be as effective as a Detox Diet &#8211; <a href="http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2011/jun/23/epidemic-mental-illness-why/?pagination=false" rel="nofollow">http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2011/jun/23/epidemic-mental-illness-why/?pagination=false</a></p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
		<link>http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/09/spa-of-embarassing-ignorance.html#comment-13694</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Dec 2010 12:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;actually detoxifying your body&quot;????

If you could demonstrate lower levels of ANY TOXIN WHATSOEVER after one of these courses, or even say which &quot;toxins&quot; are being removed, you might have a point.

As it is, the Detox mantra is complete and utter bullshit - people do have the right to choose, but people also have the right to point out that the people taking the money are either deluded or lying about what they&#039;re selling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;actually detoxifying your body&#8221;????</p>
<p>If you could demonstrate lower levels of ANY TOXIN WHATSOEVER after one of these courses, or even say which &#8220;toxins&#8221; are being removed, you might have a point.</p>
<p>As it is, the Detox mantra is complete and utter bullshit &#8211; people do have the right to choose, but people also have the right to point out that the people taking the money are either deluded or lying about what they&#8217;re selling.</p>
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		<title>By: Franco</title>
		<link>http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/09/spa-of-embarassing-ignorance.html#comment-12403</link>
		<dc:creator>Franco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Sep 2010 06:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lemme have a double vodka while I think about all of this...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lemme have a double vodka while I think about all of this&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Le Canard Noir</title>
		<link>http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/09/spa-of-embarassing-ignorance.html#comment-12186</link>
		<dc:creator>Le Canard Noir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Aug 2010 18:22:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please state one toxin that is removed during a &#039;detox&#039; and how you know this to be happening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please state one toxin that is removed during a &#8216;detox&#8217; and how you know this to be happening.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/09/spa-of-embarassing-ignorance.html#comment-12182</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Aug 2010 09:33:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Evidence? Open your eyes, the evidence is everywhere. talk to people instead of criticizing and berating them just because you disagree with them</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evidence? Open your eyes, the evidence is everywhere. talk to people instead of criticizing and berating them just because you disagree with them</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/09/spa-of-embarassing-ignorance.html#comment-12181</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Aug 2010 09:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How would a holiday and booze fasting compare to actually detoxifying your body? It&#039;s comparing apples to oranges. Did you ever think about the other benefits? The social side, actually being with people who sympathise instead of criticize....these things work, so don&#039;t be so arrogant about it. People are individual and they have the right to choose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How would a holiday and booze fasting compare to actually detoxifying your body? It&#8217;s comparing apples to oranges. Did you ever think about the other benefits? The social side, actually being with people who sympathise instead of criticize&#8230;.these things work, so don&#8217;t be so arrogant about it. People are individual and they have the right to choose.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/09/spa-of-embarassing-ignorance.html#comment-12180</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Aug 2010 09:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course there is such a thing as detox - it&#039;s the opposite of tox, short for toxin. Duh I hate morons who state something as fact before thinking about what they are saying. you definitely need an arrogance detox</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course there is such a thing as detox &#8211; it&#8217;s the opposite of tox, short for toxin. Duh I hate morons who state something as fact before thinking about what they are saying. you definitely need an arrogance detox</p>
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		<title>By: always tired</title>
		<link>http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/09/spa-of-embarassing-ignorance.html#comment-12123</link>
		<dc:creator>always tired</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 14:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love Amanda, she is awesome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love Amanda, she is awesome.</p>
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