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	<title>Comments on: The Society of Homeopaths: Truth Matters</title>
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		<title>By: cj</title>
		<link>http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/10/society-of-homeopaths-truth-matters.html#comment-16669</link>
		<dc:creator>cj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Dec 2011 16:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hold on a moment.  I just read a very prejudicial statement in todds ramblings.

(it doesn’t work at all).  Refering to homeopathy.

I think the story about someone getting very sick and going back again and again to a doctor and then getting a scan and then seeing a homeopath and things getting better IS relevant as it puts a counter experience to the notion that (it doesn’t work at all).

This blog is just basically a very prejudiced and anti - homeopathic rant.  You guys have very shaky understanding of basic material science.

Your schoolboy tosh about avagadros constant and the NOT ONE MOLECULE argument is nauseating and has been repeated with incredulity again and again against homeopathy.

Please note, for your education, properties are controlled by STRUCTURE and not composition.  

This argument is about politics and not science.   If your are asking to keep to the topic please do, and don&#039;t bring in the old chestnuts about whether or not homeopathy works, because then you will have to concede defeat at the avalanch of evidence available to prove it does as well as all the people like the chap above for whom it has worked</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hold on a moment.  I just read a very prejudicial statement in todds ramblings.</p>
<p>(it doesn’t work at all).  Refering to homeopathy.</p>
<p>I think the story about someone getting very sick and going back again and again to a doctor and then getting a scan and then seeing a homeopath and things getting better IS relevant as it puts a counter experience to the notion that (it doesn’t work at all).</p>
<p>This blog is just basically a very prejudiced and anti &#8211; homeopathic rant.  You guys have very shaky understanding of basic material science.</p>
<p>Your schoolboy tosh about avagadros constant and the NOT ONE MOLECULE argument is nauseating and has been repeated with incredulity again and again against homeopathy.</p>
<p>Please note, for your education, properties are controlled by STRUCTURE and not composition.  </p>
<p>This argument is about politics and not science.   If your are asking to keep to the topic please do, and don&#8217;t bring in the old chestnuts about whether or not homeopathy works, because then you will have to concede defeat at the avalanch of evidence available to prove it does as well as all the people like the chap above for whom it has worked</p>
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		<title>By: The Gentle Art of Homeopathic Killing &#124; The Quackometer</title>
		<link>http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/10/society-of-homeopaths-truth-matters.html#comment-14744</link>
		<dc:creator>The Gentle Art of Homeopathic Killing &#124; The Quackometer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 May 2011 08:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] misleading statements in their letter to the Guardian and on their web site are discussed here. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Victor Carulei</title>
		<link>http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/10/society-of-homeopaths-truth-matters.html#comment-14417</link>
		<dc:creator>Victor Carulei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Feb 2011 09:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TyPoS TYPOS typos - sorry

QUOTE  - - That means in dilutions exceeding 15x dilution there is only PURE water + a few spores that were floating around the room and fell into the water that was used to make NOTHING. How can nothing do something in terms of active treatment? This is a grotesque charade, inflicted on the scientifically ignorant, which is most of society. Probably over 80% of the population don&#039;t know simple grade 12 science, yet are making misinformed decisions every day.

Why are doctors disciplined by medical boards etc when it seems that Homeopaths, Chiropractors and Naturopaths can make the most unbelievable claims and get away with it. Many use gadgets that are absolute junk, use pseudo &quot;research&quot;  and claim all kinds of diagnoses can be made with these diagnostic tools.

An excelllent site to review is - quackwatch Ring

Again, I apologize for the errors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TyPoS TYPOS typos &#8211; sorry</p>
<p>QUOTE  &#8211; - That means in dilutions exceeding 15x dilution there is only PURE water + a few spores that were floating around the room and fell into the water that was used to make NOTHING. How can nothing do something in terms of active treatment? This is a grotesque charade, inflicted on the scientifically ignorant, which is most of society. Probably over 80% of the population don&#8217;t know simple grade 12 science, yet are making misinformed decisions every day.</p>
<p>Why are doctors disciplined by medical boards etc when it seems that Homeopaths, Chiropractors and Naturopaths can make the most unbelievable claims and get away with it. Many use gadgets that are absolute junk, use pseudo &#8220;research&#8221;  and claim all kinds of diagnoses can be made with these diagnostic tools.</p>
<p>An excelllent site to review is &#8211; quackwatch Ring</p>
<p>Again, I apologize for the errors.</p>
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		<title>By: Victor Carulei</title>
		<link>http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/10/society-of-homeopaths-truth-matters.html#comment-14416</link>
		<dc:creator>Victor Carulei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Feb 2011 08:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

Why would you want to argue with the deluded and that is a complement! You can&#039;t. They are far worse than the mere deluded, they are i.e. simply deceitful LIERs, if they think there is any science whatsoever behind their fetishes. There is a mention of 30X dilution in some homeopathic treatments. People who did grade 12 science know that when 15X dilution of a 1/100 serial dilution is exceeded, not a SINGLE molecule of the original substance is present.(Avogadro&#039;s number - remember!) That means in dilutions exceeding 15x dilution there is PURE water only + a few sores floating around the room that fell into the water that was used to make NOTHING. How nothing do something in terms of active treatment? This is a charde inflicted on the scientifically ignoarnt whic is most of society, probably over 80% of the poupaltion dont know simple garde 12 scince yet are making misinformed decisions every day. The spinelss government must know this and won&#039;t act because it is not politically correct in this day and age. Every fool who believes in this utter garbage, must be given the right to kill themselves, I presume? 

The greatest untruth perpetrated by the alternative medicine crowd who are scientifically destitute or more politely, challenged, is the lie that people must be self informed about their health. There is NO person without some scientific background and that would mean at least a B.Sc in biochhemistry these days, who can challenge these charlatans and the junk science propaganda that they spew on the internet. The internet for the naive and gullible is a time bomb for example when stupid parents for instance go on their anti vaccine lobby.

These defenceles kids die because of their partents stupidity who live under a delusion that they are well informed after visiting a shrill alternative medicine web site.

There is only ONE kind of medicine and that is evidence based. Nothing else is vaguely comparable. And by evidence based what is meant is this. Evidence based trials are conducted as follows
They must be

randomised - 
double blinded
have a wash out period
crossover
and reproducible.

And finally statistically significant after correcting for chance.
Nothing else is acceptable. NOTHING NADA ZILCH !

If you dont know what this means, then you have no business making medical misinformed decisions for helpless children.

That&#039;s my informed rant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>Why would you want to argue with the deluded and that is a complement! You can&#8217;t. They are far worse than the mere deluded, they are i.e. simply deceitful LIERs, if they think there is any science whatsoever behind their fetishes. There is a mention of 30X dilution in some homeopathic treatments. People who did grade 12 science know that when 15X dilution of a 1/100 serial dilution is exceeded, not a SINGLE molecule of the original substance is present.(Avogadro&#8217;s number &#8211; remember!) That means in dilutions exceeding 15x dilution there is PURE water only + a few sores floating around the room that fell into the water that was used to make NOTHING. How nothing do something in terms of active treatment? This is a charde inflicted on the scientifically ignoarnt whic is most of society, probably over 80% of the poupaltion dont know simple garde 12 scince yet are making misinformed decisions every day. The spinelss government must know this and won&#8217;t act because it is not politically correct in this day and age. Every fool who believes in this utter garbage, must be given the right to kill themselves, I presume? </p>
<p>The greatest untruth perpetrated by the alternative medicine crowd who are scientifically destitute or more politely, challenged, is the lie that people must be self informed about their health. There is NO person without some scientific background and that would mean at least a B.Sc in biochhemistry these days, who can challenge these charlatans and the junk science propaganda that they spew on the internet. The internet for the naive and gullible is a time bomb for example when stupid parents for instance go on their anti vaccine lobby.</p>
<p>These defenceles kids die because of their partents stupidity who live under a delusion that they are well informed after visiting a shrill alternative medicine web site.</p>
<p>There is only ONE kind of medicine and that is evidence based. Nothing else is vaguely comparable. And by evidence based what is meant is this. Evidence based trials are conducted as follows<br />
They must be</p>
<p>randomised &#8211;<br />
double blinded<br />
have a wash out period<br />
crossover<br />
and reproducible.</p>
<p>And finally statistically significant after correcting for chance.<br />
Nothing else is acceptable. NOTHING NADA ZILCH !</p>
<p>If you dont know what this means, then you have no business making medical misinformed decisions for helpless children.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s my informed rant.</p>
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		<title>By: In Five Years, the Society of Homeopaths Have Learnt Nothing &#124; The Quackometer</title>
		<link>http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/10/society-of-homeopaths-truth-matters.html#comment-14016</link>
		<dc:creator>In Five Years, the Society of Homeopaths Have Learnt Nothing &#124; The Quackometer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jan 2011 13:45:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This is a very misleading statement as it implies that the Society is critical of such practices. The truth is that the Society does not ‘endorse’ any particular mode of treatment within the world of homeopathy. However, the Society quite happily organises conferences on such things as the treatment of HIV and malaria with homeopathy and it supports charities which do such work in Africa. Homeopaths routinely offer dangerous advice and the Society has done nothing about it. Indeed, its statements about such matters have been deeply questionable and misleading. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This is a very misleading statement as it implies that the Society is critical of such practices. The truth is that the Society does not ‘endorse’ any particular mode of treatment within the world of homeopathy. However, the Society quite happily organises conferences on such things as the treatment of HIV and malaria with homeopathy and it supports charities which do such work in Africa. Homeopaths routinely offer dangerous advice and the Society has done nothing about it. Indeed, its statements about such matters have been deeply questionable and misleading. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Homeopaths Find The Solution&#8211;Hire PR Consultants. &#124; The Quackometer</title>
		<link>http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/10/society-of-homeopaths-truth-matters.html#comment-13626</link>
		<dc:creator>Homeopaths Find The Solution&#8211;Hire PR Consultants. &#124; The Quackometer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Dec 2010 00:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] It would appear that the desire to speak with a unified voice is stronger than their desire to address the serious criticisms made of them. The conference was organised under the auspices of the Homeopathic Action Trust – a charity funded by the Society of Homeopaths. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] It would appear that the desire to speak with a unified voice is stronger than their desire to address the serious criticisms made of them. The conference was organised under the auspices of the Homeopathic Action Trust – a charity funded by the Society of Homeopaths. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Why Libel Laws Must Change &#124; The Quackometer</title>
		<link>http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/10/society-of-homeopaths-truth-matters.html#comment-13194</link>
		<dc:creator>Why Libel Laws Must Change &#124; The Quackometer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Nov 2010 22:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] chew and we never heard from them again. And the massive wave of awareness created focussed much unwelcome attention on [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] chew and we never heard from them again. And the massive wave of awareness created focussed much unwelcome attention on [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Hasta el Absurdo Siempre! &#124; The Quackometer</title>
		<link>http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/10/society-of-homeopaths-truth-matters.html#comment-12213</link>
		<dc:creator>Hasta el Absurdo Siempre! &#124; The Quackometer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Aug 2010 14:34:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] about this? Maybe. But they may have also learnt a lesson from last year when a conference by the Society of Homeopaths flaunted nonsense about the treatment of HIV. They were crucified in the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] about this? Maybe. But they may have also learnt a lesson from last year when a conference by the Society of Homeopaths flaunted nonsense about the treatment of HIV. They were crucified in the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Secret Email Reveals more Homeopathic Killing in Kenya &#124; The Quackometer</title>
		<link>http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/10/society-of-homeopaths-truth-matters.html#comment-12096</link>
		<dc:creator>Secret Email Reveals more Homeopathic Killing in Kenya &#124; The Quackometer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 20:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of Homeopaths failed to shut me up. They also failed to uphold their own code of ethics. They issued misleading press releases about their attempts to investigate complaints. They told their own members to not make claims in [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of Homeopaths failed to shut me up. They also failed to uphold their own code of ethics. They issued misleading press releases about their attempts to investigate complaints. They told their own members to not make claims in [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Au Revior, Paula Ross &#124; The Quackometer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Au Revior, Paula Ross &#124; The Quackometer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Apr 2010 22:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] did not strike me as true. I did some more investigation and managed to get hold of a letter from Paula Ross to the BBC production crew that said, “I am [...]</description>
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