Comments on: The Homeopathic Revolution by Dana Ullman: A Review http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/12/homeopathic-revolution-by-dana-ullman.html Experiments and Thoughts on Quackery, Health Beliefs and Pseudoscience Thu, 09 Feb 2012 21:47:47 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: On the The Reckless Physicking of Amateur Females. | The Quackometer http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/12/homeopathic-revolution-by-dana-ullman.html#comment-13389 On the The Reckless Physicking of Amateur Females. | The Quackometer Tue, 16 Nov 2010 21:25:27 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2007/12/the-homeopathic-revolution-by-dana-ullman-a-review.html#comment-13389 [...] The Homeopathic Revolution by Dana Ullman: A Review 114 comment(s) [...] [...] The Homeopathic Revolution by Dana Ullman: A Review 114 comment(s) [...]

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]]> By: Charles Darwin and Homeopathy | The Quackometer http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/12/homeopathic-revolution-by-dana-ullman.html#comment-9926 Charles Darwin and Homeopathy | The Quackometer Sun, 14 Feb 2010 20:19:25 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2007/12/the-homeopathic-revolution-by-dana-ullman-a-review.html#comment-9926 [...] My full review of Dana Ullman’s book can be found here. [...] [...] My full review of Dana Ullman’s book can be found here. [...]

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/12/homeopathic-revolution-by-dana-ullman.html#comment-8983 Anonymous Mon, 19 Oct 2009 05:38:23 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2007/12/the-homeopathic-revolution-by-dana-ullman-a-review.html#comment-8983 As to Mr. Ullman's question...for us to think about why homeopathy has survived as a belief for so long....well the belief in witchcraft is equally..if not more old. Even today, children in African are being killed by their parents after being pronounced witches by Christian pastors. Sarah Palin had herself blessed by an African pastor who was known for denouncing witches. <br /><br />And just like witch-hunting has survived as a belief/practice...so has the practice of witchcraft (the wiccans). <br /><br />Longevity of unproven but powerful belief systems has plenty of parallels. By Mr. Ullman's argument those who believe in witchcraft today are in the same category as homeopaths and are equally validated in their beliefs and actions. As to Mr. Ullman's question…for us to think about why homeopathy has survived as a belief for so long….well the belief in witchcraft is equally..if not more old. Even today, children in African are being killed by their parents after being pronounced witches by Christian pastors. Sarah Palin had herself blessed by an African pastor who was known for denouncing witches.

And just like witch-hunting has survived as a belief/practice…so has the practice of witchcraft (the wiccans).

Longevity of unproven but powerful belief systems has plenty of parallels. By Mr. Ullman's argument those who believe in witchcraft today are in the same category as homeopaths and are equally validated in their beliefs and actions.

]]> By: Le Canard Noir http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/12/homeopathic-revolution-by-dana-ullman.html#comment-6363 Le Canard Noir Wed, 18 Jun 2008 07:26:00 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2007/12/the-homeopathic-revolution-by-dana-ullman-a-review.html#comment-6363 With respect, brave anaonymous, Dana's science has not been ignored. His claims about the COPD results are dealt with in the reference given above. Dana chooses to keep on pushing such studies despite their limitations. I would give that an A for obstinacy. With respect, brave anaonymous, Dana’s science has not been ignored. His claims about the COPD results are dealt with in the reference given above. Dana chooses to keep on pushing such studies despite their limitations. I would give that an A for obstinacy.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/12/homeopathic-revolution-by-dana-ullman.html#comment-6362 Anonymous Wed, 18 Jun 2008 00:37:00 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2007/12/the-homeopathic-revolution-by-dana-ullman-a-review.html#comment-6362 First you want Dana Ullman to come up with some solid science and when he does you ignore it. He gave you several independent studys that support his claim that, for some, there is hope in Homeopathy. For those people and others like them that is a good thing. <br/><br/>I give Dana an "A" for effort and endurance. First you want Dana Ullman to come up with some solid science and when he does you ignore it. He gave you several independent studys that support his claim that, for some, there is hope in Homeopathy. For those people and others like them that is a good thing.

I give Dana an “A” for effort and endurance.

]]> By: le canard noir http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/12/homeopathic-revolution-by-dana-ullman.html#comment-5747 le canard noir Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:46:00 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2007/12/the-homeopathic-revolution-by-dana-ullman-a-review.html#comment-5747 Dana - find some new tunes. <br/><br/>The COPD study has been shown to have significant problems with more sick people in the control group. Such are the problems with small studies. Bring it up again only if this study is replicated with larger numbers of patients.<br/><br/>http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2007/07/homeopathy_in_thecringeicu_1.php#more Dana – find some new tunes.

The COPD study has been shown to have significant problems with more sick people in the control group. Such are the problems with small studies. Bring it up again only if this study is replicated with larger numbers of patients.

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2007/07/homeopathy_in_thecringeicu_1.php#more

]]> By: Dana Ullman http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/12/homeopathic-revolution-by-dana-ullman.html#comment-5746 Dana Ullman Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:25:00 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2007/12/the-homeopathic-revolution-by-dana-ullman-a-review.html#comment-5746 HCN (just one more anonymous person who hides behind a fake name...is it time to come out of the closet?),<br/> <br/>What was I thinking? You are so much smarter than the editors of the journal, CHEST, even though it is the most respected journal for respiratory medicine. Wait, maybe I should ask you why you think you are smarter than they are. Show me your evidence. <br/><br/>Secondly, you choose to ignore the fact that the differences in the treatment group and the control group prior to treatment were not statistically significant (whooops)...so, your critique is invalid. Admit it and stop spewing your venom. I am, however, impressed that you are creative enough to look for any excuse possible to discount the substantial (!) differences in the results of homeopathic treatment. The p values were 0.0001. Please provide a statistical analysis how the minor and statistically insignificant differences in the groups created substantial differences in the outcomes. <br/><br/>It is interesting to watch how you weasel statistics when they serve your needs and weasel your way out of statistics when they don't. How convenient.<br/><br/>And for people out there who want to see the direct link to this study...go for it: <br/><a HREF="http://www.chestjournal.org/cgi/reprint/127/3/936" REL="nofollow" rel="nofollow">Homeopathy and COPD study in CHEST</a><br/><br/>Deny, deny, deny. Your rational is emotionally based, and your anti-homeopathy biases color your rational mind. HCN (just one more anonymous person who hides behind a fake name…is it time to come out of the closet?),

What was I thinking? You are so much smarter than the editors of the journal, CHEST, even though it is the most respected journal for respiratory medicine. Wait, maybe I should ask you why you think you are smarter than they are. Show me your evidence.

Secondly, you choose to ignore the fact that the differences in the treatment group and the control group prior to treatment were not statistically significant (whooops)…so, your critique is invalid. Admit it and stop spewing your venom. I am, however, impressed that you are creative enough to look for any excuse possible to discount the substantial (!) differences in the results of homeopathic treatment. The p values were 0.0001. Please provide a statistical analysis how the minor and statistically insignificant differences in the groups created substantial differences in the outcomes.

It is interesting to watch how you weasel statistics when they serve your needs and weasel your way out of statistics when they don’t. How convenient.

And for people out there who want to see the direct link to this study…go for it:
Homeopathy and COPD study in CHEST

Deny, deny, deny. Your rational is emotionally based, and your anti-homeopathy biases color your rational mind.

]]> By: BadlyShavedMonkey http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/12/homeopathic-revolution-by-dana-ullman.html#comment-5745 BadlyShavedMonkey Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:19:00 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2007/12/the-homeopathic-revolution-by-dana-ullman-a-review.html#comment-5745 Oops major typo;<br/><br/>When I said;<br/><br/>"Now I know you aren't only an armchair homeopath commenting from the sidelines but..."<br/><br/>Obviously I meant<br/><br/><b>Now I know you are only an armchair homeopath commenting from the sidelines but...</b> Oops major typo;

When I said;

“Now I know you aren’t only an armchair homeopath commenting from the sidelines but…”

Obviously I meant

Now I know you are only an armchair homeopath commenting from the sidelines but…

]]> By: BadlyShavedmonkey http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/12/homeopathic-revolution-by-dana-ullman.html#comment-5744 BadlyShavedmonkey Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:17:00 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2007/12/the-homeopathic-revolution-by-dana-ullman-a-review.html#comment-5744 <i>Of special interest are the four trials on allergic disorders conducted at the University of Glasgow, the three diarrhea trials (including the 1st study published in PEDIATRICS that showed that the best results were in children who had diarrhea from a lab-confirmed pathogen), the three Oscillocinum trials (all 3 trials found statisitcally significant results, and the Cochrane has described as "promising"), and the COPD study conducted at the University of Vienna.</i><br/><br/>I think I see a pattern now. You are going to cite these same discredited studies at every opportunity.<br/><br/>What makes it even more laughably pathetic is that these studies are all you have. You can't even spice things up by putting some others into the batting rotation.<br/><br/>I think your needle has stuck and the record was pretty crappy in the first place.<br/><br/>But I mustn't distract you from finding that cured AIDS patient. Now I know you aren't only an armchair homeopath commenting from the sidelines but surely given all the case records that your sugar-peddling friends have produced in the last two centuries you can come up with something better than badly documented third hand tales of alleged brain cancer cures in India and the frankly useless experimental trials that get you so giggly and excited. Heck, Dana, any real doctor produces more impressive clinical cases every day of every week.<br/><br/>So, I really must let you get on and;<br/><br/><b>GIVE ONE, YOU ONLY NEED ONE, INCONTROVERTIBLE EXAMPLE, WITH REFERENCES, OF HOMEOPATHY CURING A NON-SELF-LIMITING CONDITION.<br/><br/><br/>T = + 01mth 11d 06h 15m 39s</b> Of special interest are the four trials on allergic disorders conducted at the University of Glasgow, the three diarrhea trials (including the 1st study published in PEDIATRICS that showed that the best results were in children who had diarrhea from a lab-confirmed pathogen), the three Oscillocinum trials (all 3 trials found statisitcally significant results, and the Cochrane has described as “promising”), and the COPD study conducted at the University of Vienna.

I think I see a pattern now. You are going to cite these same discredited studies at every opportunity.

What makes it even more laughably pathetic is that these studies are all you have. You can’t even spice things up by putting some others into the batting rotation.

I think your needle has stuck and the record was pretty crappy in the first place.

But I mustn’t distract you from finding that cured AIDS patient. Now I know you aren’t only an armchair homeopath commenting from the sidelines but surely given all the case records that your sugar-peddling friends have produced in the last two centuries you can come up with something better than badly documented third hand tales of alleged brain cancer cures in India and the frankly useless experimental trials that get you so giggly and excited. Heck, Dana, any real doctor produces more impressive clinical cases every day of every week.

So, I really must let you get on and;

GIVE ONE, YOU ONLY NEED ONE, INCONTROVERTIBLE EXAMPLE, WITH REFERENCES, OF HOMEOPATHY CURING A NON-SELF-LIMITING CONDITION.

T = + 01mth 11d 06h 15m 39s

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