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	<title>Comments on: Very Soon, Falsely Using the Title &#8216;Dr&#8217; Will Land You in a New Heap of Doo Doo</title>
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		<title>By: Rndy</title>
		<link>http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2008/03/very-soon-falsely-using-title-dr-will.html#comment-14162</link>
		<dc:creator>Rndy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jan 2011 05:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Dr, J could be proscecuted, or anyone who uses the sir title, Dr. Disco, Dr. Funk, Dr. Rock ,Good luck with that, don&#039;t people have more important legilation to take care of.?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Dr, J could be proscecuted, or anyone who uses the sir title, Dr. Disco, Dr. Funk, Dr. Rock ,Good luck with that, don&#8217;t people have more important legilation to take care of.?</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2008/03/very-soon-falsely-using-title-dr-will.html#comment-6033</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 03:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well this will be more ammunition to take down Obi with.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Incidentally, did you know that he has conned the President of Gambia into getting one of his fellowships now? Seriously. I&#039;ve just posted it on &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://layscience.net/?q=node/77&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Lay Scientist&lt;/a&gt;. I hope this legislation covers issuing dodgy qualifications...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well this will be more ammunition to take down Obi with.</p>
<p>Incidentally, did you know that he has conned the President of Gambia into getting one of his fellowships now? Seriously. I&#8217;ve just posted it on <a HREF="http://layscience.net/?q=node/77" REL="nofollow" rel="nofollow">The Lay Scientist</a>. I hope this legislation covers issuing dodgy qualifications&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Peter In Dundee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter In Dundee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 20:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, your dark duckness. As a holder of a PhD I am careful how I use it lest it be misinterpreted. I am not Dr in the phone book for eg. But I am when trying to book a restaurant table. I feel I would be within my rights to start a catering business called Dr Peter&#039;s Fried Chook but not Dr Peter&#039;s Therapeutics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, your dark duckness. As a holder of a PhD I am careful how I use it lest it be misinterpreted. I am not Dr in the phone book for eg. But I am when trying to book a restaurant table. I feel I would be within my rights to start a catering business called Dr Peter&#8217;s Fried Chook but not Dr Peter&#8217;s Therapeutics.</p>
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		<title>By: UK RD (a real title)</title>
		<link>http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2008/03/very-soon-falsely-using-title-dr-will.html#comment-6031</link>
		<dc:creator>UK RD (a real title)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 20:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter in Dundee:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;people like Ann Walker will be able to trade on their doctorates to gather together practicioners under it&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;lets hope the ruling can be extended to permit title claims only for the subject researched. Thus Dr Sarah Brewer, Dr Adam Carey and Dr John Briffa can freely exploit title to push their medical freelance work, but can&#039;t use it to exploit their dodgy grasp on nutrition. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;But will there be exemptions if the individual claims to be not formally trained in the subject?&lt;br/&gt;Just check Dr Adam Carey&#039;s details on Healthspan Nutriprofile:-&lt;br/&gt;http://www.nutriprofile.org/SiteCredits.aspx&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&#039;Dr Adam Carey is an accredited Obstetrician and Gynaecologist with a SUB-SPECIALIST interest in reproductive endocrinology and nutrition&#039;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;..and of course &#039;Professor&#039; Holfords claims that he only &#039;practices&#039; nutrition.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter in Dundee:</p>
<p>&#8220;people like Ann Walker will be able to trade on their doctorates to gather together practicioners under it&#8221;</p>
<p>lets hope the ruling can be extended to permit title claims only for the subject researched. Thus Dr Sarah Brewer, Dr Adam Carey and Dr John Briffa can freely exploit title to push their medical freelance work, but can&#8217;t use it to exploit their dodgy grasp on nutrition. </p>
<p>But will there be exemptions if the individual claims to be not formally trained in the subject?<br />Just check Dr Adam Carey&#8217;s details on Healthspan Nutriprofile:-<br /><a href="http://www.nutriprofile.org/SiteCredits.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.nutriprofile.org/SiteCredits.aspx</a></p>
<p>&#8216;Dr Adam Carey is an accredited Obstetrician and Gynaecologist with a SUB-SPECIALIST interest in reproductive endocrinology and nutrition&#8217;</p>
<p>..and of course &#8216;Professor&#8217; Holfords claims that he only &#8216;practices&#8217; nutrition&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: pvandck</title>
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		<dc:creator>pvandck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 19:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The proposed legislation as it relates to a Code of Ethics might be interesting too. We all know about the not inconsiderable number of homeopaths who flout the SoH&#039;s Code - and it will be possible to report them. But where will that leave the SoH in the eyes of the law when they steadfastly refuse to take any action against said homeopaths? Won&#039;t it leave them open to some sort of action?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The proposed legislation as it relates to a Code of Ethics might be interesting too. We all know about the not inconsiderable number of homeopaths who flout the SoH&#8217;s Code &#8211; and it will be possible to report them. But where will that leave the SoH in the eyes of the law when they steadfastly refuse to take any action against said homeopaths? Won&#8217;t it leave them open to some sort of action?</p>
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		<title>By: Le Canard Noir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Le Canard Noir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 19:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the point about using a PhD or some other degree to call yourself Dr is most interesting. The legislation is clear that it will still be an offense if you say something that misleads &lt;i&gt;even if it is true&lt;/i&gt;, i.e. you are omitting to tell the relevant and related fact that the PhD was from an unaccredited college or does not arise from you being a registered doctor of medicine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the point about using a PhD or some other degree to call yourself Dr is most interesting. The legislation is clear that it will still be an offense if you say something that misleads <i>even if it is true</i>, i.e. you are omitting to tell the relevant and related fact that the PhD was from an unaccredited college or does not arise from you being a registered doctor of medicine.</p>
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		<title>By: Le Canard Noir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Le Canard Noir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 18:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter, I am not sure that is true. &#039;Dr&#039; is not a protected title, but it might well be an offense to call yourself title if it misleads your customers into thinking you are a medical doctor and are medically trained.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The ASA have slapped people for this before, and a few cases have been documented on these pages. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;PaulC - yes, this legislation is very clear an straightforward and should make it easier to prosecute all those who deceive from all corners of the health field. My worry is that there may be too many traders out there who have been used to trading in murky half-truths and Trading Standards may become somewhat overloaded. Everyone from the cosmetic companies to pharmaceutical companies, like Boots and their ridiculous claims, to alt med traders of all types.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter, I am not sure that is true. &#8216;Dr&#8217; is not a protected title, but it might well be an offense to call yourself title if it misleads your customers into thinking you are a medical doctor and are medically trained.</p>
<p>The ASA have slapped people for this before, and a few cases have been documented on these pages. </p>
<p>PaulC &#8211; yes, this legislation is very clear an straightforward and should make it easier to prosecute all those who deceive from all corners of the health field. My worry is that there may be too many traders out there who have been used to trading in murky half-truths and Trading Standards may become somewhat overloaded. Everyone from the cosmetic companies to pharmaceutical companies, like Boots and their ridiculous claims, to alt med traders of all types.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter in Dundee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter in Dundee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 17:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect that one effect will be that people like Ann Walker will be able to trade on their doctorates to gather together practicioners under it. Also I predict that those universities that shamefully offer degrees in woo will now come under intense marketplace pressure to offer PhDs.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;So we might be able to pressure the old guard, but a new more compliant one will arise to take its place. This a medusa we are fighting, not just a few puny cyclops.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect that one effect will be that people like Ann Walker will be able to trade on their doctorates to gather together practicioners under it. Also I predict that those universities that shamefully offer degrees in woo will now come under intense marketplace pressure to offer PhDs.</p>
<p>So we might be able to pressure the old guard, but a new more compliant one will arise to take its place. This a medusa we are fighting, not just a few puny cyclops.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 17:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the EU more in theory than in practice, but this piece of pending legislation has a lot going for it. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;On the other hand ...  I am concerned about the likely legal reliance on EBM as othodoxy when defining heresy. As we have recently seen (ie Kirsch on antidepressants, Kaufman on statins u.s.w.), the available evidence base may in some areas more accurately reflect corporate interests than it does science.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As you point out, the regulations will cover &#039;Misleading practices, like false or deceptive messages, or leaving out important information.&#039;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If the laws are to be impartially used, they should take on the professional crooks in the pharmaceutical industry as well as the more amateurish fraudsters in the CAM community.&lt;br/&gt;PaulC</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the EU more in theory than in practice, but this piece of pending legislation has a lot going for it. </p>
<p>On the other hand &#8230;  I am concerned about the likely legal reliance on EBM as othodoxy when defining heresy. As we have recently seen (ie Kirsch on antidepressants, Kaufman on statins u.s.w.), the available evidence base may in some areas more accurately reflect corporate interests than it does science.</p>
<p>As you point out, the regulations will cover &#8216;Misleading practices, like false or deceptive messages, or leaving out important information.&#8217;</p>
<p>If the laws are to be impartially used, they should take on the professional crooks in the pharmaceutical industry as well as the more amateurish fraudsters in the CAM community.<br />PaulC</p>
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		<title>By: Dr Aust</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr Aust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 13:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jawohl...&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;looking forward to the Continental set-up where styling yourself &quot;Doctor&quot; without a doctorate is a prosecutable offence.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Thinks ..will any homeopath be able to operate at all? As you have previously convincingly demonstrated, asking homeopaths to regulate their behaviour according to any sort of code is like asking an old computer the square root of minus one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jawohl&#8230;</p>
<p>looking forward to the Continental set-up where styling yourself &#8220;Doctor&#8221; without a doctorate is a prosecutable offence.</p>
<p>Thinks ..will any homeopath be able to operate at all? As you have previously convincingly demonstrated, asking homeopaths to regulate their behaviour according to any sort of code is like asking an old computer the square root of minus one.</p>
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