Comments on: Andy Burman Resigns From Ofquack http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2008/08/andy-burman-resigns-from-ofquack.html Experiments and Thoughts on Quackery, Health Beliefs and Pseudoscience Thu, 09 Feb 2012 21:47:47 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Margaret Coats to join Zombie Regulator, Ofquack. | The Quackometer http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2008/08/andy-burman-resigns-from-ofquack.html#comment-15478 Margaret Coats to join Zombie Regulator, Ofquack. | The Quackometer Tue, 09 Aug 2011 17:33:43 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2008/08/andy-burman-resigns-from-ofquack.html#comment-15478 [...] of the British Standards Institute. Or how the members of the  British Dietetic Association forced their Chief Executive to resign as a director of Ofquack as it was a clear conflict of interest with evidence based care. [...] [...] of the British Standards Institute. Or how the members of the  British Dietetic Association forced their Chief Executive to resign as a director of Ofquack as it was a clear conflict of interest with evidence based care. [...]

]]> By: Ofquack’s Toothless Squawk | The Quackometer http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2008/08/andy-burman-resigns-from-ofquack.html#comment-12220 Ofquack’s Toothless Squawk | The Quackometer Thu, 26 Aug 2010 15:45:27 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2008/08/andy-burman-resigns-from-ofquack.html#comment-12220 [...] time disabusing patients of the nonsense they have been told by nutritionists. Very soon after, Andy Burman resigned from the CNHC board of [...] [...] time disabusing patients of the nonsense they have been told by nutritionists. Very soon after, Andy Burman resigned from the CNHC board of [...]

]]> By: teekblog http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2008/08/andy-burman-resigns-from-ofquack.html#comment-6659 teekblog Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:21:00 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2008/08/andy-burman-resigns-from-ofquack.html#comment-6659 Hurrah - good work Andy, in helping to oust 'that other Andy' you've really surpassed yourself.<br/><br/>pleased that the Ofquack chief has gone, although it doesn't stop the organisation as a whole undermining evidence-based practice by legitimising woo - let's bring the whole house down...! Hurrah – good work Andy, in helping to oust ‘that other Andy’ you’ve really surpassed yourself.

pleased that the Ofquack chief has gone, although it doesn’t stop the organisation as a whole undermining evidence-based practice by legitimising woo – let’s bring the whole house down…!

]]> By: UKdietitian http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2008/08/andy-burman-resigns-from-ofquack.html#comment-6584 UKdietitian Fri, 08 Aug 2008 10:56:00 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2008/08/andy-burman-resigns-from-ofquack.html#comment-6584 This is very good news, but I think Mr Burman should state his reasons for resignation - for the record.<br/>Given his previous robust defence of Ofquack on this website one must sadly conclude the sole reason is the 'conflict of interest' from the organisation and its members who pay his salary.<br/><br/>Rather than recognition that although one can 'regulate' virtually any aspect of society, when it comes to public health issues more than a modicum of knowledge is needed by those professing to be 'fit for regulation' - and also by those chosen to confer regulation.<br/><br/>You can't regulate alternative health as by its very nature practitioners can't - or won't - justify their practice in relation to conventional standards. <br/><br/>Regulation gives a false veneer of professional respectability, which is only afforded the 13 'allied health professionals' (www.hpc-uk.org)after an extensive period of study (full time, usually at least 3 years) and clinical scrutiny by experienced professionals. <br/><br/>It would be time and money well spent in setting up an easily accessible medico-legal organisation for the public harmed by these amateurs-who-lack-insight, rather than pursue the dreams of a deluded prince and his lackeys. <br/>This would give easier access to the public claiming financial compensation for their injuries.<br/>Ofquack is nothing more than a shell organisation, responsible for cutting out 'striking dodgy practitioners from the register' -that is assuming of course that they are on it in the first place. <br/><br/>A shambles all round, really This is very good news, but I think Mr Burman should state his reasons for resignation – for the record.
Given his previous robust defence of Ofquack on this website one must sadly conclude the sole reason is the ‘conflict of interest’ from the organisation and its members who pay his salary.

Rather than recognition that although one can ‘regulate’ virtually any aspect of society, when it comes to public health issues more than a modicum of knowledge is needed by those professing to be ‘fit for regulation’ – and also by those chosen to confer regulation.

You can’t regulate alternative health as by its very nature practitioners can’t – or won’t – justify their practice in relation to conventional standards.

Regulation gives a false veneer of professional respectability, which is only afforded the 13 ‘allied health professionals’ (www.hpc-uk.org)after an extensive period of study (full time, usually at least 3 years) and clinical scrutiny by experienced professionals.

It would be time and money well spent in setting up an easily accessible medico-legal organisation for the public harmed by these amateurs-who-lack-insight, rather than pursue the dreams of a deluded prince and his lackeys.
This would give easier access to the public claiming financial compensation for their injuries.
Ofquack is nothing more than a shell organisation, responsible for cutting out ’striking dodgy practitioners from the register’ -that is assuming of course that they are on it in the first place.

A shambles all round, really

]]> By: Jonathan Hearsey http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2008/08/andy-burman-resigns-from-ofquack.html#comment-6576 Jonathan Hearsey Thu, 07 Aug 2008 11:09:00 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2008/08/andy-burman-resigns-from-ofquack.html#comment-6576 FINALLY - a job for me!<br/><br/>I'll knock Ofquack into shape - 18 months, that's all it'll take.<br/><br/>Easy.<br/><br/>JH FINALLY – a job for me!

I’ll knock Ofquack into shape – 18 months, that’s all it’ll take.

Easy.

JH

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2008/08/andy-burman-resigns-from-ofquack.html#comment-6569 Anonymous Wed, 06 Aug 2008 10:46:00 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2008/08/andy-burman-resigns-from-ofquack.html#comment-6569 interestingly at least one registered dietitian is now marketing herself as a Nutritional Therapist in local press because she feels (I asked her...) that it's a more recognisable term for consumers. This could have several effects; It may begin to re-legitimise a term that is currently beign discredited - it may further remove the term dietitian from mainstream use - it may encourage cumsumers to investigate their Nutrition Therapist's qualifications - it may lead to a 'protected title' status fot the titles Nutrition Therapist and Nutritionist which are currently unprotected. interestingly at least one registered dietitian is now marketing herself as a Nutritional Therapist in local press because she feels (I asked her…) that it’s a more recognisable term for consumers. This could have several effects; It may begin to re-legitimise a term that is currently beign discredited – it may further remove the term dietitian from mainstream use – it may encourage cumsumers to investigate their Nutrition Therapist’s qualifications – it may lead to a ‘protected title’ status fot the titles Nutrition Therapist and Nutritionist which are currently unprotected.

]]> By: Derrik http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2008/08/andy-burman-resigns-from-ofquack.html#comment-6568 Derrik Wed, 06 Aug 2008 09:06:00 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2008/08/andy-burman-resigns-from-ofquack.html#comment-6568 Well Done Well Done

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2008/08/andy-burman-resigns-from-ofquack.html#comment-6567 Anonymous Wed, 06 Aug 2008 08:14:00 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2008/08/andy-burman-resigns-from-ofquack.html#comment-6567 As the anonymous coward that commented on the original Barbara Nash blog with the news that Andy Burman was working with the CNHC - it fills me with satisfaction to know that the Dietitians themselves were every bit as mad about this as supporters of evidence based medicine everywhere were. It was in fact only ever the leadership that were so horribly out of touch.<br/><br/>Massive respect to the Dietitians to enabling this necessary move - it is just a shame Mr Burman himself could not see the folly his position without the gentle persuasion of the blogosphere and the dietitians themselves.<br/><br/>Whilst one must still hold grave reservations about someone who would make such a decision in the first place, hopefully now this will herald a new era of the BDA supporting their members and restoring Dietitians as the single point of contact for all evidence based nutritional information and advice.<br/><br/>Another good day for evidence based medicine - there have been a few recently. Top work Andy and everyone else who kicked up a stink. As the anonymous coward that commented on the original Barbara Nash blog with the news that Andy Burman was working with the CNHC – it fills me with satisfaction to know that the Dietitians themselves were every bit as mad about this as supporters of evidence based medicine everywhere were. It was in fact only ever the leadership that were so horribly out of touch.

Massive respect to the Dietitians to enabling this necessary move – it is just a shame Mr Burman himself could not see the folly his position without the gentle persuasion of the blogosphere and the dietitians themselves.

Whilst one must still hold grave reservations about someone who would make such a decision in the first place, hopefully now this will herald a new era of the BDA supporting their members and restoring Dietitians as the single point of contact for all evidence based nutritional information and advice.

Another good day for evidence based medicine – there have been a few recently. Top work Andy and everyone else who kicked up a stink.

]]> By: Le Canard Noir http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2008/08/andy-burman-resigns-from-ofquack.html#comment-6566 Le Canard Noir Wed, 06 Aug 2008 08:08:00 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2008/08/andy-burman-resigns-from-ofquack.html#comment-6566 Well, they do have a woman who appears to believe that reflexology foot massages can relieve constipation. I wonder if they wear protective clothing for that massage? Well, they do have a woman who appears to believe that reflexology foot massages can relieve constipation. I wonder if they wear protective clothing for that massage?

]]> By: gimpyblog http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2008/08/andy-burman-resigns-from-ofquack.html#comment-6565 gimpyblog Wed, 06 Aug 2008 07:47:00 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2008/08/andy-burman-resigns-from-ofquack.html#comment-6565 Well done Andy. This must be embarrassing for Ofquack. Who have they left that gives some semblance of respectability? Well done Andy. This must be embarrassing for Ofquack. Who have they left that gives some semblance of respectability?

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