Comments on: The Role of UK Universities in Chiropractic http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2008/08/role-of-uk-universities-in-chiropractic.html Experiments and Thoughts on Quackery, Health Beliefs and Pseudoscience Thu, 09 Feb 2012 21:47:47 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: McTimoney Chiropractic College in Deep Trouble | The Quackometer http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2008/08/role-of-uk-universities-in-chiropractic.html#comment-15965 McTimoney Chiropractic College in Deep Trouble | The Quackometer Mon, 03 Oct 2011 18:15:23 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2008/08/the-role-of-uk-universities-in-chiropractic.html#comment-15965 [...] their web sites for fear of complaints being made against them. The college soon came under the spotlight for its MSc degrees in chiropractic manipulation for small mammals and children – treatments that [...] [...] their web sites for fear of complaints being made against them. The college soon came under the spotlight for its MSc degrees in chiropractic manipulation for small mammals and children – treatments that [...]

]]> By: Badly Shaved Monkey http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2008/08/role-of-uk-universities-in-chiropractic.html#comment-15098 Badly Shaved Monkey Fri, 24 Jun 2011 19:44:54 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2008/08/the-role-of-uk-universities-in-chiropractic.html#comment-15098 Iatrogenic death is well-studied. What you forget is that we are dealing with a ratio Risk:Benefit Chiropractic benefit for non-spinal conditions is somewhere between nothing and sod all, so the ratio tends to infinity. For spinal conditions it is, at best, no better than a range of other modalities. Iatrogenic death is well-studied.

What you forget is that we are dealing with a ratio

Risk:Benefit

Chiropractic benefit for non-spinal conditions is somewhere between nothing and sod all, so the ratio tends to infinity.

For spinal conditions it is, at best, no better than a range of other modalities.

]]> By: Joseph http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2008/08/role-of-uk-universities-in-chiropractic.html#comment-15097 Joseph Fri, 24 Jun 2011 10:18:55 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2008/08/the-role-of-uk-universities-in-chiropractic.html#comment-15097 Why is it that we quote the risk of Chiropractic with maybe 30 non conclusive deaths in 30 years after Millions of manipulations delivered, and no one looks at the deaths one conventional therapy like NSAID (anti inflammatory drugs) have caused in the years. Serious toxicity (leading to hospitalization or death) from NSAID use occurs for an estimated 100,000 to 200,000 people per year. Moreover, it is estimated that approximately 10,000 to 20,000 DEATHS per year are related to NSAID use. Why is it that we quote the risk of Chiropractic with maybe 30 non conclusive deaths in 30 years after Millions of manipulations delivered, and no one looks at the deaths one conventional therapy like NSAID (anti inflammatory drugs) have caused in the years. Serious toxicity (leading to hospitalization or death) from NSAID use occurs for an estimated 100,000 to 200,000 people per year. Moreover, it is estimated that approximately 10,000 to 20,000 DEATHS per year are related to NSAID use.

]]> By: Mojo http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2008/08/role-of-uk-universities-in-chiropractic.html#comment-14414 Mojo Fri, 25 Feb 2011 20:31:13 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2008/08/the-role-of-uk-universities-in-chiropractic.html#comment-14414 "The only answer I get is that if it is delivered by a chiropractor then it is chiropractic." And, of course, anything treated by a chiropractor is a subluxation. “The only answer I get is that if it is delivered by a chiropractor then it is chiropractic.”

And, of course, anything treated by a chiropractor is a subluxation.

]]> By: Badly Shaved Monkey http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2008/08/role-of-uk-universities-in-chiropractic.html#comment-14412 Badly Shaved Monkey Fri, 25 Feb 2011 15:39:24 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2008/08/the-role-of-uk-universities-in-chiropractic.html#comment-14412 I have asked this question many times. I have never received a sensible answer. The only answer I get is that if it is delivered by a chiropractor then it is chiropractic. It's a closed self-referential loop. I was amused recently while listening to the audiobook of Carl Hiaasen's <i>Double Whammy</i> when one character asks a chiropractor, "Tell me. What's the difference between this and a massage?" And the chiro replies, "I'm a Doctor. That's the difference." It was written in 1987. I have asked this question many times. I have never received a sensible answer.

The only answer I get is that if it is delivered by a chiropractor then it is chiropractic. It’s a closed self-referential loop.

I was amused recently while listening to the audiobook of Carl Hiaasen’s Double Whammy when one character asks a chiropractor, “Tell me. What’s the difference between this and a massage?” And the chiro replies, “I’m a Doctor. That’s the difference.”

It was written in 1987.

]]> By: Daniel http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2008/08/role-of-uk-universities-in-chiropractic.html#comment-14408 Daniel Fri, 25 Feb 2011 11:49:07 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2008/08/the-role-of-uk-universities-in-chiropractic.html#comment-14408 I always wondered: When chiropractors become evidence-based and throw out all the energy flow and subluxation B/S... What, then, is the difference between them and physiotherapists? I always wondered: When chiropractors become evidence-based and throw out all the energy flow and subluxation B/S… What, then, is the difference between them and physiotherapists?

]]> By: Jeremy http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2008/08/role-of-uk-universities-in-chiropractic.html#comment-14406 Jeremy Thu, 24 Feb 2011 14:48:52 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2008/08/the-role-of-uk-universities-in-chiropractic.html#comment-14406 To reiterate Janine's comment, the McTimoney College is very different to the other two universities that train chiropractic in the UK. If you wish to see what the reality of chiropractic education is please look in to the AECC or glamorgan, since they are where the bulk of chiropractors graduate from. Also TIAs last for 24-72 hours and are neurological injuries, but there is no more a link between chiropractic and stroke as there is between general practitioners and stroke. It is much more likely the patient presents with neck pain as a symptom before the stroke occurs (Cassidy et al, 2008). Please back up future arguments with evidence, not subjective opinion. To reiterate Janine’s comment, the McTimoney College is very different to the other two universities that train chiropractic in the UK. If you wish to see what the reality of chiropractic education is please look in to the AECC or glamorgan, since they are where the bulk of chiropractors graduate from.
Also TIAs last for 24-72 hours and are neurological injuries, but there is no more a link between chiropractic and stroke as there is between general practitioners and stroke. It is much more likely the patient presents with neck pain as a symptom before the stroke occurs (Cassidy et al, 2008).
Please back up future arguments with evidence, not subjective opinion.

]]> By: Chiropractors at War with their Regulator, the GCC | The Quackometer http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2008/08/role-of-uk-universities-in-chiropractic.html#comment-12891 Chiropractors at War with their Regulator, the GCC | The Quackometer Mon, 01 Nov 2010 12:13:46 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2008/08/the-role-of-uk-universities-in-chiropractic.html#comment-12891 [...] Universities, who underwrite the degree level courses that allow chiropractors to be regulated should be ashamed of their money grabbing complicity in [...] [...] Universities, who underwrite the degree level courses that allow chiropractors to be regulated should be ashamed of their money grabbing complicity in [...]

]]> By: Santa Monica chiropractor http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2008/08/role-of-uk-universities-in-chiropractic.html#comment-12640 Santa Monica chiropractor Thu, 14 Oct 2010 07:25:04 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2008/08/the-role-of-uk-universities-in-chiropractic.html#comment-12640 Just like any industry there are good guys and bad guys. While there are those who try to encourage lifelong treatments, the good ones treat what is necessary (yes sometimes this takes more than a couple of treatments) and send their clients on there way beter than when they came in. [edited to remove spammy link] Just like any industry there are good guys and bad guys. While there are those who try to encourage lifelong treatments, the good ones treat what is necessary (yes sometimes this takes more than a couple of treatments) and send their clients on there way beter than when they came in.

[edited to remove spammy link]

]]> By: chiropractictreatments http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2008/08/role-of-uk-universities-in-chiropractic.html#comment-12353 chiropractictreatments Wed, 15 Sep 2010 02:05:51 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2008/08/the-role-of-uk-universities-in-chiropractic.html#comment-12353 Some chiropractors oppose vaccination and water fluoridation, which are common public health practices. Chiropractors' attempts to establish a positive reputation for their public health role are also compromised by their reputation for recommending repetitive life-long chiropractic treatment. Some chiropractors oppose vaccination and water fluoridation, which are common public health practices. Chiropractors’ attempts to establish a positive reputation for their public health role are also compromised by their reputation for recommending repetitive life-long chiropractic treatment.

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