Comments on: Julian Graves: Not Just Nuts – Dangerously Irresponsible

By: kayle

kayle — Tue, 17 Jan 2012 18:17:14 +0000

A Hunzakuts’ medical record/register of death causes from 1210 AD? Interesting.

By: chris jones

chris jones — Sun, 04 Jul 2010 12:32:16 +0000

if customers are interested enough to actually look at a web site before trying a product, surely they have the brains to do a little serious research and make a properly informed decision. No one is making anyone eat or take any alternative food suppliment.
Why don’t all the sheeple grow up and stop putting people down just because they want to eat a healthy diet and live healthy lives.
We all have choices to make in life.
Also i hope you sheeple never get cancer and have to find out what doesn’t work and what might have.
10 mins on the web looking at the ‘anti’ sites is not research or evidence of anything except laziness and ignorance

By: Le Canard Noir

Le Canard Noir — Sat, 14 Feb 2009 20:06:00 +0000

Of course people are free to make up their own minds. But what is quite wrong is for Julian Graves to be directing customers to web sites that contain dangerous misinformation. In fact, when such a product is sold only on the basis of blatant misinformation – and that product can lead to severe harm, then Julian Graves should quite rightly be condemned and people warned.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Sat, 14 Feb 2009 17:13:00 +0000

This is ridiculous. Obviously the sales assistant should not have commented on the product in question. The point is, people have their own minds and if they want to buy this product it is entirely up to them!! Julian Graves make no claims whatsoever to the benefits of bitter apricot kernels, and the individual is responsible for his or her actions. If they believe these things to be beneficial to their health, who is anyone to try to stop them???

By: paulC

paulC — Wed, 11 Feb 2009 19:00:00 +0000

Dear Ingrid, I looked at the paper you cited and was not surprised to see that (some) nitrilosides are capable of killing (some) cancer cells, in vitro. There are many ways of killing cancer cells, they are actually quite fragile things. The problem is that the differences between cancer cells and non-cancer cells are very subtle, and so you want, ideally, to find a compound with an adequate therapeutic index: ie a dose range that kills cancer cells without causing undue collateral damage. That is where amygdalin falls down. The cytotoxic drugs have very narrow therapeutic indices, and the latest pharmaceutical offering, the monoclonal antibodies, are pretty useless, so it is completely understandable why many patients fear orthodox therapy and look for ´natural´remedies.

The quacks who exploit these fears, however, are unforgiveable.

By: Ingrid

Ingrid — Wed, 11 Feb 2009 18:16:00 +0000

Hi Anon

The link I posted above your last post is to details of research done in Korea on laetrile and Prostate cancer. I had to put the url on 2 lines as the end kept getting cut off! You’ll have to cut and paste it in 2 bits to get the full URL! Let me know what you think!

Ingrid

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Sun, 08 Feb 2009 11:33:00 +0000

Dear Ingrid, I can't fault you for passion but unfortunately, passion without critical thought is generally a waste of everyone's time. There are no studies being done on laetrile to my knowledge; the charlatans who sell this stuff (I know Ed Griffin personally, he is charming but completely ignorant) have been talking about trials for years but have been remarkably unwilling to put their money where their mouths are. If you know any different, I challenge you to provide the details.

There are, conversely, plenty of reports of laetrile toxicity and death. The most basic literature search will find them.

The Hunza data are much more complex than you think, and their relatively low cancer levels have multiple causes. It can be very tempting to attribute complex phenomena to single causative factors, but the world does not work like this, and a good deal of scientific training focusses on learning how to avoid this type of pitfall. Finally, I can assure you that if the Hunza really ate as many apricot kernels as you have read, they would have long ceased to exist.
PaulC

By: ingrid

ingrid — Sun, 08 Feb 2009 01:12:00 +0000

http://campaignfortruth.com
/Eclub/150109/Amygdalin_2006.pdf

Had to put URL on 2 lines as it didn’t all appear on my last post sorry!

By: Ingrid

Ingrid — Sun, 08 Feb 2009 01:07:00 +0000

http://campaignfortruth.com/Eclub/150109/Amygdalin_2006.pdf

There are studies being done. I take these seeds myself and i am still alive and well!! I know several people who have gotten themselves well from cancer with them and I even gave them to my Dog and in 2 weeks the large tumour under his tail disappeared!

I for one am glad to have somewhere where I can buy these seeds easily!

I really can’t understand why people feel qualified to put something down with cries of “quackery” without actually researching the subject thoroughly or talking to people who have actually had successes with it!There are many out there which is why Laetrile/ B17 has not gone away!!

These seeds have been a controversial subject for many years but there is actually a tribe in the North of Pakistan called the Hunzakuts who eat large numbers of apricot kernels daily. They dont die of
cyanide poisoning either!! or cancer!In the 900 year history of their people they have not had one case of cancer!

Keep an open mind!! Just because something is alternative, doesn’t mean it is fluffy or dangerous and it doesn’t mean it doesn’t work! Yes there are many things in the alternative area that are a little far fetched.. but there are many in the orthodox field that are quite questionable also! As far as I am concerned, B17 is not one of them!

Ingrid

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Sat, 24 Jan 2009 10:11:00 +0000

I work for them and i can tell you that as meer sales staff we are encouraged NOT to talk to customers about suppliments , and that NO training is given on how to deal with the questions when they come up other than to say that we advise that they talk to their doctor or a chemist before taking them , i hate the pills being in my store as when we get questions i try to answer without giving advice ! everything i know about them is from my OWN reading and using some common sense ! unless you have been advised be a medical person eat a balanced diet and you will get all the nutrients you need ! please do not except what you are told in a shop/paper/hear on tv as this is rarly advice from the medical prof.