Comments on: Duchy Originals Pork Pies http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2009/03/duchy-originals-pork-pies.html Experiments and Thoughts on Quackery, Health Beliefs and Pseudoscience Thu, 29 Jul 2010 20:52:56 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Hypocrite House: if you aren’t completely stalwart in following your beliefs, are you a big dirty hypocrite? « Finlay jack – Wonder Cat http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2009/03/duchy-originals-pork-pies.html#comment-11913 Hypocrite House: if you aren’t completely stalwart in following your beliefs, are you a big dirty hypocrite? « Finlay jack – Wonder Cat Sun, 06 Jun 2010 09:30:28 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2009/03/duchy-originals-pork-pies.html#comment-11913 [...] Originals established by HRH Prince Charlie sells Herbal Detox Tinctures (the Quackometer wrote a piece on it).  So, we really shouldn’t support or buy Duchy Original products [...] [...] Originals established by HRH Prince Charlie sells Herbal Detox Tinctures (the Quackometer wrote a piece on it).  So, we really shouldn’t support or buy Duchy Original products [...]

]]> By: Police Investigate The Prince’s Foundation for Integrated Health | The Quackometer http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2009/03/duchy-originals-pork-pies.html#comment-11220 Police Investigate The Prince’s Foundation for Integrated Health | The Quackometer Sun, 04 Apr 2010 21:46:48 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2009/03/duchy-originals-pork-pies.html#comment-11220 [...] charity has been funded from Price Charles’ own business interests, particularly Duchy Originals. However, his organic food company has not made a profit in a while and had to enter into an [...] [...] charity has been funded from Price Charles’ own business interests, particularly Duchy Originals. However, his organic food company has not made a profit in a while and had to enter into an [...]

]]> By: DuckSoup http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2009/03/duchy-originals-pork-pies.html#comment-7596 DuckSoup Sat, 21 Mar 2009 22:25:00 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2009/03/duchy-originals-pork-pies.html#comment-7596 I contacted Waitrose, as they are understood to be one of the stockists of these tinctures. And their response was:<br/><br/>"Duchy Herbals Detox Tincture is traded as a food supplement and in accordance with all of the relevant sections of both UK and European food laws. It is a natural aid to digestion and supports the body’s natural elimination processes."<br/><br/>So that's all right then, but surely that's a good description of the properties of water! <br/><br/>You could be forgiven for thinking that John Lewis / Waitrose had higher standards. After all:<br/><br/>"Our Corporate Social Responsibility Report 2008 sets out our policies and principles and summarises our recent work in managing our environmental impact. We also report on our work with local communities and with our suppliers, where we are continuously working towards improving product quality and safety as well as ensuring rigorous ethical standards are upheld."<br/><br/>"suppliers....rigorous ethical standards" !!!!!!! I contacted Waitrose, as they are understood to be one of the stockists of these tinctures. And their response was:

“Duchy Herbals Detox Tincture is traded as a food supplement and in accordance with all of the relevant sections of both UK and European food laws. It is a natural aid to digestion and supports the body’s natural elimination processes.”

So that’s all right then, but surely that’s a good description of the properties of water!

You could be forgiven for thinking that John Lewis / Waitrose had higher standards. After all:

“Our Corporate Social Responsibility Report 2008 sets out our policies and principles and summarises our recent work in managing our environmental impact. We also report on our work with local communities and with our suppliers, where we are continuously working towards improving product quality and safety as well as ensuring rigorous ethical standards are upheld.”

“suppliers….rigorous ethical standards” !!!!!!!

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2009/03/duchy-originals-pork-pies.html#comment-7588 Anonymous Sat, 14 Mar 2009 22:35:00 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2009/03/duchy-originals-pork-pies.html#comment-7588 Le Canard Noir,<br/><br/>I think you need to clear up the confusion in your article between registered and licenced herbal products.<br/><br/>BillyJoe. Le Canard Noir,

I think you need to clear up the confusion in your article between registered and licenced herbal products.

BillyJoe.

]]> By: Sean Ellis http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2009/03/duchy-originals-pork-pies.html#comment-7587 Sean Ellis Fri, 13 Mar 2009 18:09:00 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2009/03/duchy-originals-pork-pies.html#comment-7587 Sorry if you've all seen this before, but since we're on the subject of safety and efficacy, here's a link to the <a HREF="http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/CNHCsafety" REL="nofollow" rel="nofollow">CNHC safety petition</a> again. Sorry if you’ve all seen this before, but since we’re on the subject of safety and efficacy, here’s a link to the CNHC safety petition again.

]]> By: FIH http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2009/03/duchy-originals-pork-pies.html#comment-7586 FIH Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:59:00 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2009/03/duchy-originals-pork-pies.html#comment-7586 Le Canard Noir quotes FIH as saying:<br/><br/><< "Licensed herbal medicines are required to demonstrate safety, quality and efficacy and be accompanied by the necessary information for safe usage." >><br/>(www.fih.org.uk/herbal)<br/><br/>This is an accurate account of MHRA rules. Traditional herbal preparations, by contrast, do not have to show efficacy. You can compare our statements with those of the MHRA here:<br/><br/>http://www.mhra.gov.uk/Howweregulate/Medicines/Herbalandhomoeopathicmedicines/Herbalmedicines/index.htm Le Canard Noir quotes FIH as saying:

<< "Licensed herbal medicines are required to demonstrate safety, quality and efficacy and be accompanied by the necessary information for safe usage." >>
(www.fih.org.uk/herbal)

This is an accurate account of MHRA rules. Traditional herbal preparations, by contrast, do not have to show efficacy. You can compare our statements with those of the MHRA here:

http://www.mhra.gov.uk/Howweregulate/Medicines/Herbalandhomoeopathicmedicines/Herbalmedicines/index.htm

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2009/03/duchy-originals-pork-pies.html#comment-7585 Anonymous Fri, 13 Mar 2009 11:59:00 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2009/03/duchy-originals-pork-pies.html#comment-7585 Prince Charlatan. :D<br/><br/>I like that, and I'm going to steal it.<br/><br/>BillyJoe Prince Charlatan. :D

I like that, and I’m going to steal it.

BillyJoe

]]> By: SVETLANA PERTSOVICH http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2009/03/duchy-originals-pork-pies.html#comment-7584 SVETLANA PERTSOVICH Fri, 13 Mar 2009 08:03:00 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2009/03/duchy-originals-pork-pies.html#comment-7584 Generally I long proposed to replace all quacks by us! :) They are so incompetent that they understand nothing even in their own business! I'm sure we could cope with their business more better than them.... ;) Down with them! Generally I long proposed to replace all quacks by us! :) They are so incompetent that they understand nothing even in their own business! I’m sure we could cope with their business more better than them…. ;) Down with them!

]]> By: SVETLANA PERTSOVICH http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2009/03/duchy-originals-pork-pies.html#comment-7583 SVETLANA PERTSOVICH Fri, 13 Mar 2009 07:56:00 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2009/03/duchy-originals-pork-pies.html#comment-7583 Johh H.<br/>And why can't Dr.Aust to turn an honest penny in quack marketing? ;)<br/>Or is he worse than other skeptics?<br/>DC works in Ofquack. <br/>Ernst is a professor of CAM.<br/>What an example for good Dr. Aust! ;) Johh H.
And why can’t Dr.Aust to turn an honest penny in quack marketing? ;)
Or is he worse than other skeptics?
DC works in Ofquack.
Ernst is a professor of CAM.
What an example for good Dr. Aust! ;)

]]> By: Rob http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2009/03/duchy-originals-pork-pies.html#comment-7582 Rob Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:32:00 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2009/03/duchy-originals-pork-pies.html#comment-7582 I wrote to the FIH:<br/><i>The "Registration of herbal medicines" page on the FIH website says that "Licensed herbal medicines are required to demonstrate safety, quality and efficacy" then goes on to mention products registered under the Traditional Herbal Medicines Registration Scheme.<br/>According to the MHRA the Traditional Herbal Medicines Registration Scheme includes no requirement to demonstrate efficacy. Which requirement(s) under which licencing regime(s) are FIH referring to on<br/>that webpage under which licenced herbal medicines must demonstrate efficacy?</i><br/><br/>Kate Smith of the FIH has replied:<br/><i>"I think you've read the page a bit hastily, it's really quite clear. As we say, Licensed herbal medicines = proof of efficacy; registered herbal medicines = safety, quality, traditional usage. Come back to me if you're still confused."</i><br/><br/>It's really quite clear: the page is about registered herbal medicines, they mention licensed ones, list registered ones, and have a bit at the bottom about the difference between licensed and registered ones, the requirements for which are wholly different. This is very clear and leaves no room for confusion. I wrote to the FIH:
The “Registration of herbal medicines” page on the FIH website says that “Licensed herbal medicines are required to demonstrate safety, quality and efficacy” then goes on to mention products registered under the Traditional Herbal Medicines Registration Scheme.
According to the MHRA the Traditional Herbal Medicines Registration Scheme includes no requirement to demonstrate efficacy. Which requirement(s) under which licencing regime(s) are FIH referring to on
that webpage under which licenced herbal medicines must demonstrate efficacy?

Kate Smith of the FIH has replied:
“I think you’ve read the page a bit hastily, it’s really quite clear. As we say, Licensed herbal medicines = proof of efficacy; registered herbal medicines = safety, quality, traditional usage. Come back to me if you’re still confused.”

It’s really quite clear: the page is about registered herbal medicines, they mention licensed ones, list registered ones, and have a bit at the bottom about the difference between licensed and registered ones, the requirements for which are wholly different. This is very clear and leaves no room for confusion.

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