Comments on: A quickly bashed out manifesto, if I were to have such a thing http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2009/04/quickly-bashed-out-manifesto-if-i-were.html Experiments and Thoughts on Quackery, Health Beliefs and Pseudoscience Thu, 29 Jul 2010 20:52:56 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Stewart McOwan http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2009/04/quickly-bashed-out-manifesto-if-i-were.html#comment-7951 Stewart McOwan Thu, 07 May 2009 12:05:00 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2009/04/a-quickly-bashed-out-manifesto-if-i-were-to-have-such-a-thing.html#comment-7951 In reply to Snetlans I am not a blind fanatic.<br />I have confessed before my frustrations with homeopaths not to pursue enough proof that they can recognise homeopathic remedies from blanks. Peter Fisher of the London Homeopathic Hospital attempted this with potentised Bryonia sent out in the post to volouteers who either received this or a blank. There was a positive statistical result but ideally an objective non-homeopath should be conducting the trial with a larger number of subjects. Also a much larger group of people should be enlisted. All experiments need to be repeated.<br /><br />http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B8CWK-4MDGN8P-4&_user=2169529&_origUdi=B6WXX-4K991BS-4&_fmt=high&_coverDate=07%2F31%2F2001&_rdoc=1&_orig=article&_acct=C000010098&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=2169529&md5=fa5490d62cd15310a98d4a1a4afe97b5<br /><br />That no further experiments were undertaken after an OK result is quite sad and baffling.<br /><br />Lastly Svetlana,<br />As you are a self-appointed member of the 'intelligentsia' as Marxists usually are, I cannot recommend a book by Hayek too highly. This is his 'Counter Revolution of Science - Studies on the Abuse of Reason.' It can be purchased cheaply on Amazon. Once you have finished that you could polish off your education with his Road to Serfdom and the Conceit of Socialism.<br /><br />http://www.amazon.co.uk/Counter-revolution-Science-Studies-Abuse-Reason/dp/0913966673/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1241695486&sr=8-4 In reply to Snetlans I am not a blind fanatic.
I have confessed before my frustrations with homeopaths not to pursue enough proof that they can recognise homeopathic remedies from blanks. Peter Fisher of the London Homeopathic Hospital attempted this with potentised Bryonia sent out in the post to volouteers who either received this or a blank. There was a positive statistical result but ideally an objective non-homeopath should be conducting the trial with a larger number of subjects. Also a much larger group of people should be enlisted. All experiments need to be repeated.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B8CWK-4MDGN8P-4&_user=2169529&_origUdi=B6WXX-4K991BS-4&_fmt=high&_coverDate=07%2F31%2F2001&_rdoc=1&_orig=article&_acct=C000010098&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=2169529&md5=fa5490d62cd15310a98d4a1a4afe97b5

That no further experiments were undertaken after an OK result is quite sad and baffling.

Lastly Svetlana,
As you are a self-appointed member of the 'intelligentsia' as Marxists usually are, I cannot recommend a book by Hayek too highly. This is his 'Counter Revolution of Science – Studies on the Abuse of Reason.' It can be purchased cheaply on Amazon. Once you have finished that you could polish off your education with his Road to Serfdom and the Conceit of Socialism.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Counter-revolution-Science-Studies-Abuse-Reason/dp/0913966673/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1241695486&sr=8-4

]]> By: SVETLANA PERTSOVICH http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2009/04/quickly-bashed-out-manifesto-if-i-were.html#comment-7931 SVETLANA PERTSOVICH Tue, 05 May 2009 19:51:00 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2009/04/a-quickly-bashed-out-manifesto-if-i-were-to-have-such-a-thing.html#comment-7931 OK, Andy.<br />But suddenly a problem has appeared.<br />Where is DC's blog??!! I can't get his blog!<br />Please, test: http://dcscience.net<br />David's blog vanished...<br />What happened?<br />Is it only my problem or not? OK, Andy.
But suddenly a problem has appeared.
Where is DC’s blog??!! I can’t get his blog!
Please, test: http://dcscience.net
David’s blog vanished…
What happened?
Is it only my problem or not?

]]> By: Le Canard Noir http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2009/04/quickly-bashed-out-manifesto-if-i-were.html#comment-7930 Le Canard Noir Tue, 05 May 2009 15:30:00 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2009/04/a-quickly-bashed-out-manifesto-if-i-were-to-have-such-a-thing.html#comment-7930 Svetlana - once again - stick to the points raised in the post. Svetlana – once again – stick to the points raised in the post.

]]> By: SVETLANA PERTSOVICH http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2009/04/quickly-bashed-out-manifesto-if-i-were.html#comment-7929 SVETLANA PERTSOVICH Tue, 05 May 2009 15:26:00 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2009/04/a-quickly-bashed-out-manifesto-if-i-were-to-have-such-a-thing.html#comment-7929 And several words about freedom of choice, since the homeopath above has touched it.<br />Yes, in the modern world people have the right to choose whether to drink alcohol or not to drink. Moreover, in some countries people have the right to choose even whether to use a narcotic or not to use. And in other countries people are allowed to choose whether to have arms or not to have arms. <br />But if people start to choose whether to kill other people or not to kill, then it is not choice! It is crime.<br />So, the problem of CAM in most cases is not a problem of choice. It is a problem of criminal law. And several words about freedom of choice, since the homeopath above has touched it.
Yes, in the modern world people have the right to choose whether to drink alcohol or not to drink. Moreover, in some countries people have the right to choose even whether to use a narcotic or not to use. And in other countries people are allowed to choose whether to have arms or not to have arms.
But if people start to choose whether to kill other people or not to kill, then it is not choice! It is crime.
So, the problem of CAM in most cases is not a problem of choice. It is a problem of criminal law.

]]> By: SVETLANA PERTSOVICH http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2009/04/quickly-bashed-out-manifesto-if-i-were.html#comment-7928 SVETLANA PERTSOVICH Tue, 05 May 2009 14:55:00 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2009/04/a-quickly-bashed-out-manifesto-if-i-were-to-have-such-a-thing.html#comment-7928 Why does local public remain voiceless?<br />Do you agree that I try to return you to "golden days of the gulag"?<br /><br />And maybe do you agree with him? Do you side with homeopathy? Indeed. Even David Colquhoun takes part in Ofquack!.. :(<br /><br />Yes, I know - I am the only one such communist in the world. In any case I haven't met still a communist which share my position completely. Similar communists were once. But they were killed in gulag or repressed by other way. <br />Yes, I know about repressions and gulag. Nevertheless I accept the name "communist" for me, because I know that communism is a good. Communistic study was perverted and slandered. Actually communistic doctrine is created for intelligentsia, and hegemonism of proletariat is main mistake of marxism. I know about the mistakes of Marx. But I see that they were caused by historic conditions - intelligentsia didn't exist in his times. And I know how those mistakes must be repaired. I said about it above. Thus, I think that my name "communist" is honest and good. It is not a danger/harm.<br /><br />But!.. Homeopathy is not a good! Homeopathy is a quackery! And anyone here agree with me. So, when your Edzard Ernst is simultaneously a homeopath and skeptic, it is dishonesty, though poor Ernst tries to be honest. He delude himself. And he is in jeopardy because of it. Indeed! Look at this quack above. He is collecting a damnatory evidences against Ernst. The only thing which can rescue the hapless professor - to change the name of his Chair, because actually, Ernst is busy with useful and right work. He is busy with <b>evidence-based medicine and methodology of medicine</b>. It is very simple! And his real activity must be merely legitimated. Why does local public remain voiceless?
Do you agree that I try to return you to “golden days of the gulag”?

And maybe do you agree with him? Do you side with homeopathy? Indeed. Even David Colquhoun takes part in Ofquack!.. :(

Yes, I know – I am the only one such communist in the world. In any case I haven’t met still a communist which share my position completely. Similar communists were once. But they were killed in gulag or repressed by other way.
Yes, I know about repressions and gulag. Nevertheless I accept the name “communist” for me, because I know that communism is a good. Communistic study was perverted and slandered. Actually communistic doctrine is created for intelligentsia, and hegemonism of proletariat is main mistake of marxism. I know about the mistakes of Marx. But I see that they were caused by historic conditions – intelligentsia didn’t exist in his times. And I know how those mistakes must be repaired. I said about it above. Thus, I think that my name “communist” is honest and good. It is not a danger/harm.

But!.. Homeopathy is not a good! Homeopathy is a quackery! And anyone here agree with me. So, when your Edzard Ernst is simultaneously a homeopath and skeptic, it is dishonesty, though poor Ernst tries to be honest. He delude himself. And he is in jeopardy because of it. Indeed! Look at this quack above. He is collecting a damnatory evidences against Ernst. The only thing which can rescue the hapless professor – to change the name of his Chair, because actually, Ernst is busy with useful and right work. He is busy with evidence-based medicine and methodology of medicine. It is very simple! And his real activity must be merely legitimated.

]]> By: SVETLANA PERTSOVICH http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2009/04/quickly-bashed-out-manifesto-if-i-were.html#comment-7927 SVETLANA PERTSOVICH Tue, 05 May 2009 13:43:00 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2009/04/a-quickly-bashed-out-manifesto-if-i-were-to-have-such-a-thing.html#comment-7927 <i>"My ancestors spent centuries fighting for the right to run their own lives the way they wanted and think the way they wanted."</i>Do you believe that this quack want to run his own life? Not at all! He wants to run YOUR lives. He wants to deceive you, selling you a shit instead of good medicines.<br />He wants to expose your children to mortal danger, when he doesn't vaccinate his own children.<br />He wants to drive out you from your universities, taking your places in them and placing in university's education a ancient idiotism instead of real science.<br />He want you to be non-educated idiots and to choose his quackery instead of good science and medicine.<br />He want your government to adopt stupid laws, which will help him to swindle you with impunity.<br />Yes, he wants to run lives, but not his own life! He wants to run your lives!<br /><br />And now, could local public point my mistakes in English? I would be grateful. “My ancestors spent centuries fighting for the right to run their own lives the way they wanted and think the way they wanted.”Do you believe that this quack want to run his own life? Not at all! He wants to run YOUR lives. He wants to deceive you, selling you a shit instead of good medicines.
He wants to expose your children to mortal danger, when he doesn’t vaccinate his own children.
He wants to drive out you from your universities, taking your places in them and placing in university’s education a ancient idiotism instead of real science.
He want you to be non-educated idiots and to choose his quackery instead of good science and medicine.
He want your government to adopt stupid laws, which will help him to swindle you with impunity.
Yes, he wants to run lives, but not his own life! He wants to run your lives!

And now, could local public point my mistakes in English? I would be grateful.

]]> By: SVETLANA PERTSOVICH http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2009/04/quickly-bashed-out-manifesto-if-i-were.html#comment-7926 SVETLANA PERTSOVICH Tue, 05 May 2009 13:18:00 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2009/04/a-quickly-bashed-out-manifesto-if-i-were-to-have-such-a-thing.html#comment-7926 1) Question to Dawkins<br />http://richarddawkins.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=80851&p=1964826#p1964826<br /><br />2) Why do all people here keep silense? Maybe will someone explain me, eh? ;) No? :) OK! I shall answer this question myself. You keep silence, because though you agree with me in the debate against quack, however, you are afraid of my communistic views. <br />But why??!!<br />Because all of you (as well as this quack!) believe that communism is either a stalinism or such stupid regime, which was in USSR and coutries of Eastern Europe in the end of XX century.<br />You are wrong.<br />Such "communism" failed, because it was ruled by proletariat. However I am partisan of communistic society, which is ruled by Intelligentsia. And you know that Intelligentsia and dictatorship is incompatible things. Ruling of intelligentsia can be only a democracy. Democracy, as you know, is an absence of discrimination and repressions. Other traits of communism in my model of society will remain immutable.<br /><br />And I think that only quacks, ignoramuses and fools can object against Reason in power. Do you agree? 1) Question to Dawkins
http://richarddawkins.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=80851&p=1964826#p1964826

2) Why do all people here keep silense? Maybe will someone explain me, eh? ;) No? :) OK! I shall answer this question myself. You keep silence, because though you agree with me in the debate against quack, however, you are afraid of my communistic views.
But why??!!
Because all of you (as well as this quack!) believe that communism is either a stalinism or such stupid regime, which was in USSR and coutries of Eastern Europe in the end of XX century.
You are wrong.
Such "communism" failed, because it was ruled by proletariat. However I am partisan of communistic society, which is ruled by Intelligentsia. And you know that Intelligentsia and dictatorship is incompatible things. Ruling of intelligentsia can be only a democracy. Democracy, as you know, is an absence of discrimination and repressions. Other traits of communism in my model of society will remain immutable.

And I think that only quacks, ignoramuses and fools can object against Reason in power. Do you agree?

]]> By: Stewart McOwan http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2009/04/quickly-bashed-out-manifesto-if-i-were.html#comment-7925 Stewart McOwan Tue, 05 May 2009 12:58:00 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2009/04/a-quickly-bashed-out-manifesto-if-i-were-to-have-such-a-thing.html#comment-7925 "I am a Scientist, New Marxist, Skeptic, and Atheist. So you will be not given no mercy."<br /><br />Well your English is piss poor and you don't seem to realise that the majority of the human population prefer to make their own decisions in life regardless of inevitable mistakes. You are barking mad! All human beings are innately illogical at times - Even scientists! Only lunatics though expect the illogical to be legislated out of existence. Soviet Russia attempted this and simply created a madhouse. You are obviously one of its sad inmates.<br />And yes. I am inquisitive at times. What wrong with that? My ancestors spent centuries fighting for the right to run their own lives the way they wanted and think the way they wanted. I respect science when it knows its place as the servant and not the master.<br />You madam, are the backward one dreaming of the golden days of the gulag. “I am a Scientist, New Marxist, Skeptic, and Atheist. So you will be not given no mercy.”

Well your English is piss poor and you don’t seem to realise that the majority of the human population prefer to make their own decisions in life regardless of inevitable mistakes. You are barking mad! All human beings are innately illogical at times – Even scientists! Only lunatics though expect the illogical to be legislated out of existence. Soviet Russia attempted this and simply created a madhouse. You are obviously one of its sad inmates.
And yes. I am inquisitive at times. What wrong with that? My ancestors spent centuries fighting for the right to run their own lives the way they wanted and think the way they wanted. I respect science when it knows its place as the servant and not the master.
You madam, are the backward one dreaming of the golden days of the gulag.

]]> By: SVETLANA PERTSOVICH http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2009/04/quickly-bashed-out-manifesto-if-i-were.html#comment-7924 SVETLANA PERTSOVICH Tue, 05 May 2009 01:21:00 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2009/04/a-quickly-bashed-out-manifesto-if-i-were-to-have-such-a-thing.html#comment-7924 Ha-ha! I a bit poked in Internet just now. Google showed that Stewart Mcowan is a brassbound fanatic homeopath. And recently he tried zealously to find out in Exeter University whether Professor Edzard Ernst are a homeopath actually or not... ;) Oh, what an inquisitive monsieur!<br />inquisitive... inquisitor.... inquisition... <b>The Inquisition</b>! Eh? ;) It seems within modern homeopathy has appeared new inner Inquisition!<br /><br />As for me, you have mistaken, sir homeopath. I am not Stalinist. You estimate me too mildly! ;) I am a Scientist, New Marxist, Communist, Skeptic and Atheist. So you will not be given no mercy! :) Ha-ha! I a bit poked in Internet just now. Google showed that Stewart Mcowan is a brassbound fanatic homeopath. And recently he tried zealously to find out in Exeter University whether Professor Edzard Ernst are a homeopath actually or not… ;) Oh, what an inquisitive monsieur!
inquisitive… inquisitor…. inquisition… The Inquisition! Eh? ;) It seems within modern homeopathy has appeared new inner Inquisition!

As for me, you have mistaken, sir homeopath. I am not Stalinist. You estimate me too mildly! ;) I am a Scientist, New Marxist, Communist, Skeptic and Atheist. So you will not be given no mercy! :)

]]> By: SVETLANA PERTSOVICH http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2009/04/quickly-bashed-out-manifesto-if-i-were.html#comment-7923 SVETLANA PERTSOVICH Tue, 05 May 2009 00:42:00 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2009/04/a-quickly-bashed-out-manifesto-if-i-were-to-have-such-a-thing.html#comment-7923 A-a-hhh! What a comer! :) And we simply missed you! :P<br /><br />Oh, David Colquhoun is quite right. Just the style of discussions of such people shows their rotten essence.<br />"Stalinists", "microfascists", "maoists", "extremists" - this is usual set of "laudative" and "caressing" epithets, which different quacks and ignoramuses use for definition of skeptics and bloggers :)<br />What a kind folks! :P<br />Oh, and how they love a laws! ;) Do you know about such their trait, friends? No? But Simon Singh, Andy Lewis, David Colquhoun and other bloggers know! A-a-hhh! What a comer! :) And we simply missed you! :P

Oh, David Colquhoun is quite right. Just the style of discussions of such people shows their rotten essence.
“Stalinists”, “microfascists”, “maoists”, “extremists” – this is usual set of “laudative” and “caressing” epithets, which different quacks and ignoramuses use for definition of skeptics and bloggers :)
What a kind folks! :P
Oh, and how they love a laws! ;) Do you know about such their trait, friends? No? But Simon Singh, Andy Lewis, David Colquhoun and other bloggers know!

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