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	<title>Comments on: Protecting future ‘Baby Glorias’ from Homeopathic Beliefs</title>
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		<title>By: Vicky</title>
		<link>http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2009/09/protecting-future-baby-glorias-from.html#comment-16093</link>
		<dc:creator>Vicky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Oct 2011 05:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like a case similar to that of baby Gloria happened in Italy:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNews/World/Story/STIStory_726129.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Child death probed after Italian parents rely on homeopathy&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like a case similar to that of baby Gloria happened in Italy:<br />
<a href="http://www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNews/World/Story/STIStory_726129.html" rel="nofollow">Child death probed after Italian parents rely on homeopathy</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Le Canard Noir</title>
		<link>http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2009/09/protecting-future-baby-glorias-from.html#comment-9877</link>
		<dc:creator>Le Canard Noir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 15:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello DJM,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Firstly, I only filter comments on posts older than 21 days. Earlier than that and post are not monitored. After than, I find most posts are either from spammers or from idiots just posting off topic. It saves me time. It is not censorship.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, back to the idiocy. Yes, lots of babies do die who are being treated by regular medicine. The difference is that regular medicine gives net benefits. Homeopathy is an inert treatment, so any death is inexcusable. Especially where a real treatment was available. It is criminal negligence - as the judges have obiously agreed. The rest of your post is just meaningless mumbo jumbo and an attempt to create a straw man argument about real medicine that no medic would ever claim.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Should I have just deleted your comment? Perhaps on reflection I should have done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello DJM,</p>
<p>Firstly, I only filter comments on posts older than 21 days. Earlier than that and post are not monitored. After than, I find most posts are either from spammers or from idiots just posting off topic. It saves me time. It is not censorship.</p>
<p>So, back to the idiocy. Yes, lots of babies do die who are being treated by regular medicine. The difference is that regular medicine gives net benefits. Homeopathy is an inert treatment, so any death is inexcusable. Especially where a real treatment was available. It is criminal negligence &#8211; as the judges have obiously agreed. The rest of your post is just meaningless mumbo jumbo and an attempt to create a straw man argument about real medicine that no medic would ever claim.</p>
<p>Should I have just deleted your comment? Perhaps on reflection I should have done.</p>
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		<title>By: DJM</title>
		<link>http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2009/09/protecting-future-baby-glorias-from.html#comment-9876</link>
		<dc:creator>DJM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 14:52:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting that you need to approve comments.  I guess you filter perspectives you don&#039;t agree with. That must be why it seems that everyone on this site is buys what you&#039;re selling.  Why would you do that?  Afraid of being the target of the same kind of criticism that you are launching at others.  Just like big science: filtering out dissenting views that are inconvenient.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting that you need to approve comments.  I guess you filter perspectives you don&#39;t agree with. That must be why it seems that everyone on this site is buys what you&#39;re selling.  Why would you do that?  Afraid of being the target of the same kind of criticism that you are launching at others.  Just like big science: filtering out dissenting views that are inconvenient.</p>
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		<title>By: DJM</title>
		<link>http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2009/09/protecting-future-baby-glorias-from.html#comment-9875</link>
		<dc:creator>DJM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 14:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even people with the best intentions can be blinded by bias.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For every Gloria Thomas out there who died at the hands of homeopaths, you can find at least ten babies who died at the hands of &quot;regular&quot; medicine.  For every inflammatory story that hits the media about someone dying at the hands of alternative medicine, there are many stories, unreported, about people dying while in the care of so-called regular medicine.  But since this form of treatment has been defined as &quot;regular,&quot; their deaths are not travesties, just unfortunate parts of life.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The rise of a strictly biomedical focus, reducing human bodies to component parts that do not exist in relation to their other parts (for example, if you have problems with your liver, treat only your liver) makes no sense when you consider that a liver wouldn&#039;t exist without the other parts of the body.  We&#039;ve evolved a complex biological system, yet regular medicine and biomedical science treat them as distinct entities.  This is ludicrous, idiocy and contrary to basic evolutionary thought, but it is taken as not only normal, but the only proper way to treat people.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So when launching attacks at quackery, look in the mirror, and tread softly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even people with the best intentions can be blinded by bias.</p>
<p>For every Gloria Thomas out there who died at the hands of homeopaths, you can find at least ten babies who died at the hands of &quot;regular&quot; medicine.  For every inflammatory story that hits the media about someone dying at the hands of alternative medicine, there are many stories, unreported, about people dying while in the care of so-called regular medicine.  But since this form of treatment has been defined as &quot;regular,&quot; their deaths are not travesties, just unfortunate parts of life.  </p>
<p>The rise of a strictly biomedical focus, reducing human bodies to component parts that do not exist in relation to their other parts (for example, if you have problems with your liver, treat only your liver) makes no sense when you consider that a liver wouldn&#39;t exist without the other parts of the body.  We&#39;ve evolved a complex biological system, yet regular medicine and biomedical science treat them as distinct entities.  This is ludicrous, idiocy and contrary to basic evolutionary thought, but it is taken as not only normal, but the only proper way to treat people.  </p>
<p>So when launching attacks at quackery, look in the mirror, and tread softly.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2009/09/protecting-future-baby-glorias-from.html#comment-9038</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 01:07:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A dear friend was treated for thyroid failure by a alternative herbal pills that cost her, her life... dead at 39&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The coroner found she had sufficient education to realize the treatment was bogus and therefore contributed to her own death... &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;She had three science degrees, but still she suspended her knowledge on the basis of a witch doctor, offering a natural herbal thyroxin replacement...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;thyroxin can only come from an animal source, and my friend had embraced vegetarianism in spite of her education and so wanted a non animal solution.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;the cult of pseudo science is lethal, when are going to see all witch doctors imprisoned for misleading and contributing to the deaths of people&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;this is all just so so sad........&lt;br /&gt;when will the killing end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A dear friend was treated for thyroid failure by a alternative herbal pills that cost her, her life&#8230; dead at 39</p>
<p>The coroner found she had sufficient education to realize the treatment was bogus and therefore contributed to her own death&#8230; </p>
<p>She had three science degrees, but still she suspended her knowledge on the basis of a witch doctor, offering a natural herbal thyroxin replacement&#8230;</p>
<p>thyroxin can only come from an animal source, and my friend had embraced vegetarianism in spite of her education and so wanted a non animal solution.</p>
<p>the cult of pseudo science is lethal, when are going to see all witch doctors imprisoned for misleading and contributing to the deaths of people</p>
<p>this is all just so so sad&#8230;&#8230;..<br />when will the killing end.</p>
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		<title>By: Warhelmet</title>
		<link>http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2009/09/protecting-future-baby-glorias-from.html#comment-8952</link>
		<dc:creator>Warhelmet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 10:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do UK homeopathic &quot;colleges&quot; offer courses in stuff like the Ramakrishnan cancer treatment protocol when no UK homeopath can legally use any of it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do UK homeopathic &quot;colleges&quot; offer courses in stuff like the Ramakrishnan cancer treatment protocol when no UK homeopath can legally use any of it?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 01:13:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>... not really. He said &quot;sentenced&quot;. The sentences were longer than six and four years respectively. If he&#039;d said &quot;will serve at least...&quot; that would have been correct.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; not really. He said &quot;sentenced&quot;. The sentences were longer than six and four years respectively. If he&#39;d said &quot;will serve at least&#8230;&quot; that would have been correct.</p>
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		<title>By: BillyJoe</title>
		<link>http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2009/09/protecting-future-baby-glorias-from.html#comment-8944</link>
		<dc:creator>BillyJoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 11:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...which means that LCN was, in fact correct ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;which means that LCN was, in fact correct <img src='http://www.quackometer.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 23:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thomas and Manju Sam weren&#039;t sentenced to &quot;six and four years respectively&quot;. They were sentenced to eight years and five years four months respectively. The six years and four years are their respective non-parole periods. After that time they are allowed to apply to the parole board for their release. The full sentence is mentioned at the bottom of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.smh.com.au/national/jail-for-parents-who-allowed-daughter-to-die-20090928-g8x2.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Sydney Morning Herald article&lt;/a&gt; linked to in LCN&#039;s article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas and Manju Sam weren&#39;t sentenced to &quot;six and four years respectively&quot;. They were sentenced to eight years and five years four months respectively. The six years and four years are their respective non-parole periods. After that time they are allowed to apply to the parole board for their release. The full sentence is mentioned at the bottom of the <a href="http://www.smh.com.au/national/jail-for-parents-who-allowed-daughter-to-die-20090928-g8x2.html" rel="nofollow">Sydney Morning Herald article</a> linked to in LCN&#39;s article.</p>
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		<title>By: Warhelmet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Warhelmet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought that leg pulling was for osteopaths?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought that leg pulling was for osteopaths?</p>
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