Comments on: 10:23, Homeopathy and the Shame of the Pharmacy Profession http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2010/01/1023-homeopathy-and-shame-of-pharmacy.html Experiments and Thoughts on Quackery, Health Beliefs and Pseudoscience Thu, 09 Feb 2012 21:47:47 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Michael Kingsford Gray http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2010/01/1023-homeopathy-and-shame-of-pharmacy.html#comment-11039 Michael Kingsford Gray Sat, 20 Mar 2010 08:39:26 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2010/01/1023-homeopathy-and-the-shame-of-the-pharmacy-profession.html#comment-11039 March 20, 2010AD and Andrew Sikorski (I still cannot believe that he is a GP) has presented not only zero evidence, but by his puerile sophistry, has presented negative evidence. Is a "Sylvia Brown" type countdown in order? Or will it suffer from overflow before the end of the next millennium? March 20, 2010AD and Andrew Sikorski (I still cannot believe that he is a GP) has presented not only zero evidence, but by his puerile sophistry, has presented negative evidence.
Is a “Sylvia Brown” type countdown in order?
Or will it suffer from overflow before the end of the next millennium?

]]> By: cinchona http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2010/01/1023-homeopathy-and-shame-of-pharmacy.html#comment-10063 cinchona Sat, 20 Feb 2010 15:20:59 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2010/01/1023-homeopathy-and-the-shame-of-the-pharmacy-profession.html#comment-10063 Quinine (cinchona) is used effectively for indigestion, pain, nervousness, anxiety, fever and more. Quinine (cinchona) is used effectively for indigestion, pain, nervousness, anxiety, fever and more.

]]> By: Boots Maternity TENS Machines. Do they work? | The Quackometer http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2010/01/1023-homeopathy-and-shame-of-pharmacy.html#comment-9933 Boots Maternity TENS Machines. Do they work? | The Quackometer Sun, 14 Feb 2010 22:13:53 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2010/01/1023-homeopathy-and-the-shame-of-the-pharmacy-profession.html#comment-9933 [...] of pain”. But we have learned recently that Boots, and the pharmacists who work for them, cannot be trusted to provide clear and truthful statements of the effectiveness of their [...] [...] of pain”. But we have learned recently that Boots, and the pharmacists who work for them, cannot be trusted to provide clear and truthful statements of the effectiveness of their [...]

]]> By: Dr Andrew Sikorski http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2010/01/1023-homeopathy-and-shame-of-pharmacy.html#comment-9341 Dr Andrew Sikorski Thu, 04 Feb 2010 10:00:44 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2010/01/1023-homeopathy-and-the-shame-of-the-pharmacy-profession.html#comment-9341 we would find out- how about meeting up for a chat- until then you and I would be postulating about the unknown- meeting would be a scientific exploration of what could happen- interested- or scared? we would find out- how about meeting up for a chat- until then you and I would be postulating about the unknown- meeting would be a scientific exploration of what could happen- interested- or scared?

]]> By: Le Canard Noir http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2010/01/1023-homeopathy-and-shame-of-pharmacy.html#comment-9331 Le Canard Noir Wed, 03 Feb 2010 22:03:15 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2010/01/1023-homeopathy-and-the-shame-of-the-pharmacy-profession.html#comment-9331 What on earth would be talk about? The total lack of evidence for your assertions? What on earth would be talk about? The total lack of evidence for your assertions?

]]> By: Dr Andrew Sikorski http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2010/01/1023-homeopathy-and-shame-of-pharmacy.html#comment-9330 Dr Andrew Sikorski Wed, 03 Feb 2010 21:30:34 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2010/01/1023-homeopathy-and-the-shame-of-the-pharmacy-profession.html#comment-9330 so...you don't want to catch up and have a chat.......and still no evidence from you........ so…you don't want to catch up and have a chat…….and still no evidence from you……..

]]> By: Le Canard Noir http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2010/01/1023-homeopathy-and-shame-of-pharmacy.html#comment-9329 Le Canard Noir Wed, 03 Feb 2010 18:58:23 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2010/01/1023-homeopathy-and-the-shame-of-the-pharmacy-profession.html#comment-9329 That message was brought to you from GP, Dr Andrew Sikorski. That message was brought to you from GP, Dr Andrew Sikorski.

]]> By: Dr Andrew Sikorski http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2010/01/1023-homeopathy-and-shame-of-pharmacy.html#comment-9328 Dr Andrew Sikorski Wed, 03 Feb 2010 17:55:06 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2010/01/1023-homeopathy-and-the-shame-of-the-pharmacy-profession.html#comment-9328 ...and still no evidence.<br /><br />Though some proving symptoms were available from toxic effects of medication- regretably. How long do I need to take a medicine to start getting side-effects? Any evidence?<br /><br />And Graphites miners developed skin complaints - how long did they need to mine to get their symptoms? Any evidence?<br /><br />No evidence required for the duration of a proving as obviously some people will never develop symptoms and, similarly to my patients on 4 or 5 antihypertensive agents (and no homeopathy) with continued raised blood pressures, 10% of patients do not respond to treatmnets. Your question re evidence for the required duration of a proving is dumb. Afraid there is no evidence required in answer to your question - ergo you will find none. But do feel free to mock- you obviously need an outlet for your woo. Please do let me know your evidence?-I'll try to post this as near to 21.03 having been otherwise occupied treating the sick at 13.20 and 3.12. Tata, tata, Tata. …and still no evidence.

Though some proving symptoms were available from toxic effects of medication- regretably. How long do I need to take a medicine to start getting side-effects? Any evidence?

And Graphites miners developed skin complaints – how long did they need to mine to get their symptoms? Any evidence?

No evidence required for the duration of a proving as obviously some people will never develop symptoms and, similarly to my patients on 4 or 5 antihypertensive agents (and no homeopathy) with continued raised blood pressures, 10% of patients do not respond to treatmnets. Your question re evidence for the required duration of a proving is dumb. Afraid there is no evidence required in answer to your question – ergo you will find none. But do feel free to mock- you obviously need an outlet for your woo. Please do let me know your evidence?-I'll try to post this as near to 21.03 having been otherwise occupied treating the sick at 13.20 and 3.12. Tata, tata, Tata.

]]> By: Le Canard Noir http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2010/01/1023-homeopathy-and-shame-of-pharmacy.html#comment-9327 Le Canard Noir Wed, 03 Feb 2010 13:58:43 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2010/01/1023-homeopathy-and-the-shame-of-the-pharmacy-profession.html#comment-9327 ...and still no evidence. …and still no evidence.

]]> By: Dr Andrew Sikorski http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2010/01/1023-homeopathy-and-shame-of-pharmacy.html#comment-9326 Dr Andrew Sikorski Wed, 03 Feb 2010 13:30:45 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/wpblog/2010/01/1023-homeopathy-and-the-shame-of-the-pharmacy-profession.html#comment-9326 So...you don't want to catch up and have a chat? It appears provings were conducted to amass data and sift through symptoms which could be ascribed to the remedy being proved- initially these tests were in material doses- the first one being Quinine (Chinchona bark) which Hahnemann took himself being curious. He developed symptoms resembling malaria which ceased when he stopped the dosage after a number of days and returned when, after a wash out period, he restarted. This occurred on a number of occasions, was replicated when members of his family performed the same experiment and again subsequently with medical colleagues. Having stumbled on this observation, as the true scientist and chemist he was, he took his investigations further. Using material doses of the contemporary medicines such as arsenic, mercury and sulphur differing symptoms were noted with each. Initial treatment of patients was with material doses. Side effects were significant. To reduce side effects the medicines were diluted with succussion. It was then observed, whilst side effects diminished, the beneficial effect was not only preserved, but increased. Not even Hahnemann could explain why, yet he noted this finding. Do you know why 007 prefers his dry martinis shaken, not stirred? Are you going to tell me? I think I know the answer. So the duration of a proving tends to be for 4-8 weeks to gather data. Treatments with homeopathy are advised to be limited to a month with regular doses to avoid the proving symptoms of a remedy. Some provers are reputed to be extra sensitive and may pick up data more speedily, but this is a tiny minority. You omit to mention the weird woo practice of dream provings which I quite understand as they do not fit my comprehension either. I'm glad you knew this was going to be my answer- you must be an extra sensitive woo yourself. Do you have evidence on the effects of aspirin? So…you don't want to catch up and have a chat? It appears provings were conducted to amass data and sift through symptoms which could be ascribed to the remedy being proved- initially these tests were in material doses- the first one being Quinine (Chinchona bark) which Hahnemann took himself being curious. He developed symptoms resembling malaria which ceased when he stopped the dosage after a number of days and returned when, after a wash out period, he restarted. This occurred on a number of occasions, was replicated when members of his family performed the same experiment and again subsequently with medical colleagues. Having stumbled on this observation, as the true scientist and chemist he was, he took his investigations further. Using material doses of the contemporary medicines such as arsenic, mercury and sulphur differing symptoms were noted with each. Initial treatment of patients was with material doses. Side effects were significant. To reduce side effects the medicines were diluted with succussion. It was then observed, whilst side effects diminished, the beneficial effect was not only preserved, but increased. Not even Hahnemann could explain why, yet he noted this finding. Do you know why 007 prefers his dry martinis shaken, not stirred? Are you going to tell me? I think I know the answer. So the duration of a proving tends to be for 4-8 weeks to gather data. Treatments with homeopathy are advised to be limited to a month with regular doses to avoid the proving symptoms of a remedy. Some provers are reputed to be extra sensitive and may pick up data more speedily, but this is a tiny minority. You omit to mention the weird woo practice of dream provings which I quite understand as they do not fit my comprehension either. I'm glad you knew this was going to be my answer- you must be an extra sensitive woo yourself. Do you have evidence on the effects of aspirin?

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