Comments on: Liverpool NHS PCT Offering Quack Mysticism as Cancer Cure

By: SATs Papers

SATs Papers — Sun, 15 Jan 2012 16:13:23 +0000

Only in Liverpool…

By: Liverpool Homeopathic Hospital has Gone | The Quackometer

Liverpool Homeopathic Hospital has Gone | The Quackometer — Fri, 18 Nov 2011 16:42:08 +0000

[...] it was also offering much more troubling services. The Old Swan Health Centre was also offering superstitious treatments for cancer. I reported how the clinic had been offering the mysticism of Rudolf Steiner in the form [...]

By: marzena

marzena — Mon, 27 Sep 2010 14:06:45 +0000

well, its funny what i read. My mom been diagnosed with ovarian cancer 5 years ago. Since than she got 6 different chemotherapies, each of them between 4 and 6 times.So on average she got 32 chemos.
NONE of them helped her. It totally killed her strong body and immune system.Now she has been send to paliative care, cos doctors gave up on her.They laughed me off when i mentioned alternative therapy(Poland for you).I went to this homeopath doctor to get Iscador, as moms mate taken it and her markers went down from 120 to 5!! Mom wasnt too impressed by the doc, but in a waiting are we met a woman and her daughter, who has her cancer spreading to every organ, paliative care etc. Very similar to my mom. She started taking Iscador injections 3 months ago and now cancer stopped, she looked good to me, she was active, happy, talkative etc. She said, she wouldnt be here if it wasnt Iscador. Plus mom taken now 3rd injections, and she started to shout at me(good sign,as she is better), started to watch tv, started to eat as much as me(before she wouldnt eat at all), started to ssleep more(before she slept 2 hours and now 7 hours), she stopped using painkillers for her liver(before she was using Tramal) and started to walk to toilet by herself….
I think this is enough of the evidence for me, to know this is working well!!!

Plus doctors CLEARLY have no bleeding clue about treating cancer, cos if they did so many people wouldnt be still dying in the 21st century!!!! So if you cant help people, why putting down alternative therapy…and since every single body is different, it may actually respond to different natural product!!

In my opinion, since god created the world, he created all the answers and questions in the nature…So why changing and playing with what we got and apreciate that???? Why making it different!!
Its like trying to change the apple to look like a pear, but still taste like an apple…

Some people here will say I am thick, but i am only telling you my thoughts and what i see for myself…
So I really dont understand, why so many people, cant accept someones opinion and experience…
Why pharmaceutical business makes like 6 bilion quid and is the most lucrative business fudning so many goverments!!!
Inventing illnesses and producting medicines, so they will soon start controling the population!!

Think the future will be based on immunological therapy/treatments…
I think cancer as well as HIV/AIDS its all the same root.
Low immunology..

But what do I know!!!
I just agree to disagree.

By: Sel

Sel — Mon, 29 Mar 2010 06:36:42 +0000

Don’t forget charmed and strange

By: Liverpool NHS PCT Drops Supernatural Cancer Claims from Website | The Quackometer

Wed, 24 Mar 2010 12:26:47 +0000

[...] weeks ago I wrote about how Liverpool Homeopathic ‘hospital’ was advertising that it offered cancer treatments based on the supernatural beliefs of mystic Rudolf Steiner. Observing that [...]

By: Muscelguy

Muscelguy — Sun, 21 Mar 2010 17:58:52 +0000

@RodneyRobinson

You sir mistake categories for treatments. Radiotherapy for eg can involve multitudinous different treatments using differing isotopes and different parts of the electro magnetic spectrum. X-rays, gamma rays etc, etc. Similarly any chemical treatment falls under ‘chemotherapy’ it is an extraordinarily broad tent that one. I suppose you have failed to notice Immunotherapy, as used in the successful treatment of melanoma for eg that teaches the body to reject melanoma cells. Or Phototherapy for melanoma and other cancers available to fibre optics, where a substance that is caged is put into the body generally or into the local area and a specific wavelength of laser light is used to uncage the active substance but only where the laser shines which means no side effects from whole body treatment.

So your statement of no progress in cancer treatment is not just a category error it displays manifest ignorance of a host of treatments developed and rolled out into the clinic in recent years. I may be a biological scientist but I learned of all of them from the popular scientific and generally popular press not specialist literature.

Then there is Pharmacogenetics, using genetic profiling to select precisely which treatments will be effective or to make a treatment more effective. For eg at the University of Dundee they did a trial of cisplatin, one of the best chemotherapy agents. It looked at cytochrome P450 gene alleles. These genes sit in your liver and aid detoxification. They also break down drugs and in many cases the chemical changes they make to drugs actually generate the active form. In the case of cisplatin it is breakdown that is involved. People split into 3 groups: fast, normal and slow in terms of how quickly their c-P450’s break down cisplatin. This matters because if you are a fast breaker down then a standard dose will not be enough for you as your plasma levels of the drug will not remain high enough for long enough. For slow breakers down the opposite is true, a standard dose is too much and so they will suffer more side effects and be sicker. By profiling people you can adjust the dose, more for fast and less for slow to ensure everyone gets the correct active dose. In addition they have discovered that what time of day the drug is delivered matters because your normal daily rhythms have effects on blood levels of the drug too. So cancer clinics now work around the clock treating profiled patients at the best time for them. So no need for new drugs as we are zeroing in on how to make existing drugs work better and much more often.

By: Michael Power

Michael Power — Sat, 20 Mar 2010 13:56:33 +0000

Amazing that I make an observation at 10:34 within a couple of hours @zeno001 has tweeted the missing pages.

http://www.freezepage.com/1269087628UFBNTBXNYV

http://www.freezepage.com/1269087512ATMZEZMHJV

Would the Pope recognize this as a sainthood qualifying miracle?

By: Michael Power

Michael Power — Sat, 20 Mar 2010 10:34:27 +0000

Interesting that a search on the Liverpool PCT site for iscador finds 2 pages. One of the pages does not have iscador on it, and the other page has been taken down.

Well done, Andy!

However, there is still quite a lot that they ought to, but haven’t, taken down yet.

If you want to check, here are the edited pages:

No iscador:
http://www.liverpoolpct.nhs.uk/Provider/Services/Comp.asp

Taken down:
http://www.liverpoolpct.nhs.uk/Provider/Services/iscador.asp

By: Are There Any Homeopathic Hospitals in the UK? | The Quackometer

Are There Any Homeopathic Hospitals in the UK? | The Quackometer — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 23:07:32 +0000

[...] list of complaints to Bristol. However, it does have a very peculiar speciality in that it offers mistletoe treatment for cancer. This is a hocus-pocus treatment based on the mystical musings of Rudolf Steiner who believed [...]

By: Rodney Robinson

Rodney Robinson — Thu, 25 Feb 2010 12:39:31 +0000

Well it’s incredulous to me that no reputable academic institution has not completed the requisite trials if there is even a suggestion of a result in the case of cancer. Despite all the millions of pounds going into conventional research, the public are still faced with the same choice of radiotherapy, chemotherapy and surgery. I would suggest that there are very few people who have any idea of what is actually being researched and what advances are being made in this field. Every few years there is a media report about some new advance with the caution that many years of research are required before a treatment can be expected. Years pass with no word of any failure or success. There is much talk about the lack of evidence in homeopathy yet it would be a simple matter to prove its effectiveness. A double-blind randomised trial using homeopathically prepared allergen such as pollen to show that the homeopathic preparation at least (if not the method traditional method of prescription) does have a therapeutic effect. The question is who would carry out the research? If the research is carried out by proponents or practitioners of homeopathy it is disregarded as being biased or discredited by those with vested interests as of “poor quality”.