Comments on: The British Chiropractic Association Humiliated. http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2010/04/the-british-chiropractic-association-humiliated.html Experiments and Thoughts on Quackery, Health Beliefs and Pseudoscience Thu, 09 Feb 2012 21:47:47 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Chiropractors at War with their Regulator, the GCC | The Quackometer http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2010/04/the-british-chiropractic-association-humiliated.html#comment-12890 Chiropractors at War with their Regulator, the GCC | The Quackometer Mon, 01 Nov 2010 12:13:28 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2010/04/the-british-chiropractic-association-humiliated.html#comment-12890 [...] BCA were “happily promoting bogus treatments” for children’s ailments. The law suit ended in humiliation for the chiropractors as they were forced to back down and repay Simon’s costs mounting to [...] [...] BCA were “happily promoting bogus treatments” for children’s ailments. The law suit ended in humiliation for the chiropractors as they were forced to back down and repay Simon’s costs mounting to [...]

]]> By: Doctor’s Data Bogus Tests | The Quackometer http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2010/04/the-british-chiropractic-association-humiliated.html#comment-12016 Doctor’s Data Bogus Tests | The Quackometer Wed, 07 Jul 2010 22:14:31 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2010/04/the-british-chiropractic-association-humiliated.html#comment-12016 [...] This week in The Lawyer, Robert Dougans and David Allen Green wrote about the emerging phenomenon of ‘wiki litigation’ where there is large scale scrutiny and participation in legal proceedings using the web as a shared medium. They used the example of the British Chiropractic Association’s libel case against science writer Simon Singh. This was not just the web watching the case – but actively participating by the shared scrutiny of all parts of the claim, actively playing out scenarios and options for Singh, and undertaking a distributed analysis of the pertinent scientific points – the result being the demolition of the BCA’s reputation. [...] [...] This week in The Lawyer, Robert Dougans and David Allen Green wrote about the emerging phenomenon of ‘wiki litigation’ where there is large scale scrutiny and participation in legal proceedings using the web as a shared medium. They used the example of the British Chiropractic Association’s libel case against science writer Simon Singh. This was not just the web watching the case – but actively participating by the shared scrutiny of all parts of the claim, actively playing out scenarios and options for Singh, and undertaking a distributed analysis of the pertinent scientific points – the result being the demolition of the BCA’s reputation. [...]

]]> By: Bryan http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2010/04/the-british-chiropractic-association-humiliated.html#comment-11982 Bryan Thu, 24 Jun 2010 04:56:07 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2010/04/the-british-chiropractic-association-humiliated.html#comment-11982 Your missing the point of the article. Chiro has its limits, it can help, but there is more quackery in Chiropractic than any medical profession. Simon called b.s and The BCA could not prove him wrong. Your missing the point of the article. Chiro has its limits, it can help, but there is more quackery in Chiropractic than any medical profession. Simon called b.s and The BCA could not prove him wrong.

]]> By: Riccardo http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2010/04/the-british-chiropractic-association-humiliated.html#comment-11483 Riccardo Wed, 21 Apr 2010 14:09:47 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2010/04/the-british-chiropractic-association-humiliated.html#comment-11483 "And what about horse chiropractors? I heard about one that couldn’t go to meets anymore because if a patient smelled him in the crowd, that horse would stop whatever it was doing and seek him out." Interesting anecdote, worthy of Ripley's Believe it or Not! For goodness sake's when will people learn the difference between science and fantasy? “And what about horse chiropractors? I heard about one that couldn’t go to meets anymore because if a patient smelled him in the crowd, that horse would stop whatever it was doing and seek him out.”

Interesting anecdote, worthy of Ripley’s Believe it or Not! For goodness sake’s when will people learn the difference between science and fantasy?

]]> By: phayes http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2010/04/the-british-chiropractic-association-humiliated.html#comment-11403 phayes Sat, 17 Apr 2010 13:57:17 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2010/04/the-british-chiropractic-association-humiliated.html#comment-11403 “Shame on you for trying to stop something you don’t understand.” Shame on you for the ignorance and illogic that inspired that unwitting irony. “Shame on you for trying to stop something you don’t understand.”

Shame on you for the ignorance and illogic that inspired that unwitting irony.

]]> By: Charlotte http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2010/04/the-british-chiropractic-association-humiliated.html#comment-11386 Charlotte Fri, 16 Apr 2010 20:29:04 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2010/04/the-british-chiropractic-association-humiliated.html#comment-11386 How very odd to read diatribes like the above... I have chronic pain, have tried many things, and have had side-effects from both conventional medicine and CAM. The difference was that I got some benefit from most of the conventional treatments, and when I didn't I could discuss that with my doctors and try other things, because they had no particular commitment to any single treatment system. If you're genuinely in pain, I'd advise you to see a medical doctor as soon as you can. How very odd to read diatribes like the above…
I have chronic pain, have tried many things, and have had side-effects from both conventional medicine and CAM. The difference was that I got some benefit from most of the conventional treatments, and when I didn’t I could discuss that with my doctors and try other things, because they had no particular commitment to any single treatment system. If you’re genuinely in pain, I’d advise you to see a medical doctor as soon as you can.

]]> By: Donna Hudson http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2010/04/the-british-chiropractic-association-humiliated.html#comment-11383 Donna Hudson Fri, 16 Apr 2010 17:21:27 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2010/04/the-british-chiropractic-association-humiliated.html#comment-11383 How very odd to read diatribes like these. I've worked for 3 DC's in the USA, of which 2 were very good. I have had ribs set that were driving me nuts, my sublexed shoulder set numerous times, (it's unstable so now my husband and a friend do the "fireman's set" on me when it goes out, the trick was taught to them by a DC) and had a serious gut condition stopped by an occiput adjustment. I use a great deal of information I learned from DC's in my job as a massage therapist,and this info works as well for me as it does for them. Those of you who who have never suffered from chronic pain that responds to chiropractic treatment yet feel qualified to condemn it are like someone who has never had allergies and swears that those who suffer from hayfever must be imagining it and allergy drs are just taking their money for nothing. Shame on you for trying to stop something you don't understand. If we were to compare how much pain relief a patient received from the average MD visit to the average DC visit, the MD's would look very bad indeed. I agree, I know of cases where people have hurt worse after an adjustment, but I also know of cases where someone with mild pain wound up in agony after a cortisone shot by an MD. AS I have said many times, when you leave a DC's office, no matter how greedy or incompetent he may be, you will still have all your body parts. I have met way too many people who did not fare so well after MD visits. Remember that here in the USA where I am, insurance seldom pays well or even at all for chiropractic tx, and yet people will go pay money out of their pockets because they actually get results from their DC. If they weren't effective, they would all be out of business. An interesting corollary of this is that the very best DC in any small town is the one who has no advertising at all. He's the one that is so busy from word of mouth referrals that it's all he can do to empty his waiting room to go home at the end of the day. And what about horse chiropractors? I heard about one that couldn't go to meets anymore because if a patient smelled him in the crowd, that horse would stop whatever it was doing and seek him out. I never heard of horses being that fond of someone who just gives them shots. How very odd to read diatribes like these. I’ve worked for 3 DC’s in the USA, of which 2 were very good. I have had ribs set that were driving me nuts, my sublexed shoulder set numerous times, (it’s unstable so now my husband and a friend do the “fireman’s set” on me when it goes out, the trick was taught to them by a DC) and had a serious gut condition stopped by an occiput adjustment. I use a great deal of information I learned from DC’s in my job as a massage therapist,and this info works as well for me as it does for them.
Those of you who who have never suffered from chronic pain that responds to chiropractic treatment yet feel qualified to condemn it are like someone who has never had allergies and swears that those who suffer from hayfever must be imagining it and allergy drs are just taking their money for nothing. Shame on you for trying to stop something you don’t understand. If we were to compare how much pain relief a patient received from the average MD visit to the average DC visit, the MD’s would look very bad indeed. I agree, I know of cases where people have hurt worse after an adjustment, but I also know of cases where someone with mild pain wound up in agony after a cortisone shot by an MD. AS I have said many times, when you leave a DC’s office, no matter how greedy or incompetent he may be, you will still have all your body parts. I have met way too many people who did not fare so well after MD visits. Remember that here in the USA where I am, insurance seldom pays well or even at all for chiropractic tx, and yet people will go pay money out of their pockets because they actually get results from their DC. If they weren’t effective, they would all be out of business. An interesting corollary of this is that the very best DC in any small town is the one who has no advertising at all. He’s the one that is so busy from word of mouth referrals that it’s all he can do to empty his waiting room to go home at the end of the day. And what about horse chiropractors? I heard about one that couldn’t go to meets anymore because if a patient smelled him in the crowd, that horse would stop whatever it was doing and seek him out. I never heard of horses being that fond of someone who just gives them shots.

]]> By: Michael Kingsford Gray http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2010/04/the-british-chiropractic-association-humiliated.html#comment-11381 Michael Kingsford Gray Fri, 16 Apr 2010 13:25:27 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2010/04/the-british-chiropractic-association-humiliated.html#comment-11381 pv: you wrote exactly what I was prepared to type. pv: you wrote exactly what I was prepared to type.

]]> By: Kev Simpson http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2010/04/the-british-chiropractic-association-humiliated.html#comment-11379 Kev Simpson Fri, 16 Apr 2010 09:58:02 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2010/04/the-british-chiropractic-association-humiliated.html#comment-11379 I'm ecstatic for Simon, yet at the same time just a tadlette disappointed: He never got his chance to kick their sorry asses in court. Hope he now sues the BCA twice, once for defamation of HIS character and reputation as a respected and conscientious science journalist, and again for all the money and lost earning they cost him! No one should be allowed to get away with sleazy and underhanded attempts to silence news and comment that is in the interests of those being swindled by alternative "medical" practitioners. K. I’m ecstatic for Simon, yet at the same time just a tadlette disappointed: He never got his chance to kick their sorry asses in court.

Hope he now sues the BCA twice, once for defamation of HIS character and reputation as a respected and conscientious science journalist, and again for all the money and lost earning they cost him!

No one should be allowed to get away with sleazy and underhanded attempts to silence news and comment that is in the interests of those being swindled by alternative “medical” practitioners.

K.

]]> By: pv http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2010/04/the-british-chiropractic-association-humiliated.html#comment-11377 pv Thu, 15 Apr 2010 23:31:10 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2010/04/the-british-chiropractic-association-humiliated.html#comment-11377 The point is that the Guardian's offer of column space for the BCA to make a reply and present their evidence clearly wasn't a viable option. I would suggest the BCA almost certainly knew this was the case in spite of their claims to have a "plethora" of evidence to support their claims. It just isn't credible that the leadership is so dim and incompetent that none of them knew the reality regarding their so-called evidence. And that lack of credibility points to a more sinister motivation for pursuing legal action than simple rectification of damage to an upright and respectable reputation. They knew they had been pushed into a corner and revealed as medical frauds. So they chose not to take the sensible option of doing nothing and waiting for it to blow over, after which normal service could have been resumed. Their only other option was to gamble and do a bit of bullying. And fortunately the bully has been humiliated. Unfortunately it is unlikely chiropractic will beconsigned to its rightful place in the dustbin of medical scams because there are too many fans with a religious like devotion to being hoodwinked. The point is that the Guardian’s offer of column space for the BCA to make a reply and present their evidence clearly wasn’t a viable option. I would suggest the BCA almost certainly knew this was the case in spite of their claims to have a “plethora” of evidence to support their claims.
It just isn’t credible that the leadership is so dim and incompetent that none of them knew the reality regarding their so-called evidence. And that lack of credibility points to a more sinister motivation for pursuing legal action than simple rectification of damage to an upright and respectable reputation.

They knew they had been pushed into a corner and revealed as medical frauds. So they chose not to take the sensible option of doing nothing and waiting for it to blow over, after which normal service could have been resumed. Their only other option was to gamble and do a bit of bullying. And fortunately the bully has been humiliated.

Unfortunately it is unlikely chiropractic will beconsigned to its rightful place in the dustbin of medical scams because there are too many fans with a religious like devotion to being hoodwinked.

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