Comments on: The Curious Case of Nativis, The Forsaken Nobel Prize Winner and the Ghost of Jacques Benveniste http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2010/06/the-curious-case-of-nativis-the-forsaken-nobel-prize-winner-and-the-ghost-of-jacques-benveniste.html Experiments and Thoughts on Quackery, Health Beliefs and Pseudoscience Fri, 10 Feb 2012 19:55:04 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: La Canard Blanc http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2010/06/the-curious-case-of-nativis-the-forsaken-nobel-prize-winner-and-the-ghost-of-jacques-benveniste.html#comment-15906 La Canard Blanc Wed, 21 Sep 2011 05:00:10 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2010/06/the-curious-case-of-nativis-the-forsaken-nobel-prize-winner-and-the-ghost-of-jacques-benveniste.html#comment-15906 There is no science. None of the principals has any real scientific background. They met Jacques Benveniste and retold his story to some gullible investors in the US and have lived off it ever since. Cold fusion will happen before a single cancer cell is killed by these so-called "recordings". There is no science. None of the principals has any real scientific background. They met Jacques Benveniste and retold his story to some gullible investors in the US and have lived off it ever since. Cold fusion will happen before a single cancer cell is killed by these so-called “recordings”.

]]> By: Luc Montagnier’s Porridge Pill Cure for AIDS | The Quackometer http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2010/06/the-curious-case-of-nativis-the-forsaken-nobel-prize-winner-and-the-ghost-of-jacques-benveniste.html#comment-14602 Luc Montagnier’s Porridge Pill Cure for AIDS | The Quackometer Wed, 30 Mar 2011 20:46:19 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2010/06/the-curious-case-of-nativis-the-forsaken-nobel-prize-winner-and-the-ghost-of-jacques-benveniste.html#comment-14602 [...] Montagnier’s recent forays into believing he can detect pathogenic material with magic homeopathic boxes, we should treat such claims with extreme [...] [...] Montagnier’s recent forays into believing he can detect pathogenic material with magic homeopathic boxes, we should treat such claims with extreme [...]

]]> By: PhilW http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2010/06/the-curious-case-of-nativis-the-forsaken-nobel-prize-winner-and-the-ghost-of-jacques-benveniste.html#comment-12284 PhilW Tue, 07 Sep 2010 18:19:44 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2010/06/the-curious-case-of-nativis-the-forsaken-nobel-prize-winner-and-the-ghost-of-jacques-benveniste.html#comment-12284 This homeopathy-EM radiation guff has recently been taken up by the Institure of Science in Society, which is a pity, because they have some quite useful things to say about climate change, corporate pushing of GM and alternatives to modern intensive agriculture. But I think their biophysics looks very odd, full of conjecture, wishful thinking and over-generalising from what is probably a few anomalous observations. I mention this organisation here, because their moderated comments page failed to print a very polite thing I wrote saying there were criticisms of this "physical basis for homeopathy" hypothesis and linking to your page on Montagnier. So much for open-mindedness and free, scientific debate. See: http://www.i-sis.org.uk/electromagneticSignalsFromHIV.php This homeopathy-EM radiation guff has recently been taken up by the Institure of Science in Society, which is a pity, because they have some quite useful things to say about climate change, corporate pushing of GM and alternatives to modern intensive agriculture. But I think their biophysics looks very odd, full of conjecture, wishful thinking and over-generalising from what is probably a few anomalous observations.

I mention this organisation here, because their moderated comments page failed to print a very polite thing I wrote saying there were criticisms of this “physical basis for homeopathy” hypothesis and linking to your page on Montagnier. So much for open-mindedness and free, scientific debate. See: http://www.i-sis.org.uk/electromagneticSignalsFromHIV.php

]]> By: DMcILROY http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2010/06/the-curious-case-of-nativis-the-forsaken-nobel-prize-winner-and-the-ghost-of-jacques-benveniste.html#comment-12159 DMcILROY Wed, 04 Aug 2010 20:15:08 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2010/06/the-curious-case-of-nativis-the-forsaken-nobel-prize-winner-and-the-ghost-of-jacques-benveniste.html#comment-12159 Just thought you should know that INSERM is a national organisation that has many research units throughout France and probably dozens in the Paris area. I think you should remove from your post the argument that since Benveniste, Butters, and Montagnier all worked at INSERM labs at some point in their careers, they were somehow connected. Françoise Barré-Sinoussi doesn't deserve to be tarred by the same brush as the others, either. She is definitely on the side of the angels, and has no involvement whatsoever with Luc Montagnier's memory of water lunacy. DMc Just thought you should know that INSERM is a national organisation that has many research units throughout France and probably dozens in the Paris area. I think you should remove from your post the argument that since Benveniste, Butters, and Montagnier all worked at INSERM labs at some point in their careers, they were somehow connected.
Françoise Barré-Sinoussi doesn’t deserve to be tarred by the same brush as the others, either. She is definitely on the side of the angels, and has no involvement whatsoever with Luc Montagnier’s memory of water lunacy.

DMc

]]> By: Muscelguy http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2010/06/the-curious-case-of-nativis-the-forsaken-nobel-prize-winner-and-the-ghost-of-jacques-benveniste.html#comment-12009 Muscelguy Mon, 05 Jul 2010 15:46:29 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2010/06/the-curious-case-of-nativis-the-forsaken-nobel-prize-winner-and-the-ghost-of-jacques-benveniste.html#comment-12009 Oh not that long I shouldn't wonder, though it will doubtless be out the back and only the suitably labelled products will be on display. After all after the mass homeopathic overdose campaign they know that we are watching them . . . Oh not that long I shouldn’t wonder, though it will doubtless be out the back and only the suitably labelled products will be on display. After all after the mass homeopathic overdose campaign they know that we are watching them . . .

]]> By: James Jones http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2010/06/the-curious-case-of-nativis-the-forsaken-nobel-prize-winner-and-the-ghost-of-jacques-benveniste.html#comment-12005 James Jones Sun, 04 Jul 2010 22:49:19 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2010/06/the-curious-case-of-nativis-the-forsaken-nobel-prize-winner-and-the-ghost-of-jacques-benveniste.html#comment-12005 It's like a chiropractic version of homeopathy. Chiropractic - material free fixes for everything - all you need is a bit of hand waving. Oil-less, bottle-less, stopper-less, label-less, snake-less snake oil. Genius - from a commercial point of view. Drug signals - homeopathy without all the messy diluting, banging, bottles, postage, water. Homeopathy over t'interweb. Only wish I'd thought of it as I could do with a retirement plan. How long before the magic water treatment machine is in Boots? It’s like a chiropractic version of homeopathy.

Chiropractic – material free fixes for everything – all you need is a bit of hand waving. Oil-less, bottle-less, stopper-less, label-less, snake-less snake oil. Genius – from a commercial point of view.

Drug signals – homeopathy without all the messy diluting, banging, bottles, postage, water. Homeopathy over t’interweb. Only wish I’d thought of it as I could do with a retirement plan.

How long before the magic water treatment machine is in Boots?

]]> By: Professor Fine Man http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2010/06/the-curious-case-of-nativis-the-forsaken-nobel-prize-winner-and-the-ghost-of-jacques-benveniste.html#comment-11955 Professor Fine Man Tue, 15 Jun 2010 05:06:11 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2010/06/the-curious-case-of-nativis-the-forsaken-nobel-prize-winner-and-the-ghost-of-jacques-benveniste.html#comment-11955 I can hardly wait to see how the FDA responds to Nativis. Should be entertaining. I can hardly wait to see how the FDA responds to Nativis. Should be entertaining.

]]> By: Professor Fine Man http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2010/06/the-curious-case-of-nativis-the-forsaken-nobel-prize-winner-and-the-ghost-of-jacques-benveniste.html#comment-11954 Professor Fine Man Tue, 15 Jun 2010 05:03:15 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2010/06/the-curious-case-of-nativis-the-forsaken-nobel-prize-winner-and-the-ghost-of-jacques-benveniste.html#comment-11954 Brilliant article. Thoughtful, balanced, and very enjoyable to read. Typo: "Now, whilst Montagnier made his HIV discoveries a the Pasteur Institute," --> AT the Pasteur Institute Brilliant article. Thoughtful, balanced, and very enjoyable to read.

Typo: “Now, whilst Montagnier made his HIV discoveries a the Pasteur Institute,”

–> AT the Pasteur Institute

]]> By: Ergo http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2010/06/the-curious-case-of-nativis-the-forsaken-nobel-prize-winner-and-the-ghost-of-jacques-benveniste.html#comment-11951 Ergo Mon, 14 Jun 2010 08:12:53 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2010/06/the-curious-case-of-nativis-the-forsaken-nobel-prize-winner-and-the-ghost-of-jacques-benveniste.html#comment-11951 Sorry fro the double post. Damn NoScript... Sorry fro the double post. Damn NoScript…

]]> By: Ergo http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2010/06/the-curious-case-of-nativis-the-forsaken-nobel-prize-winner-and-the-ghost-of-jacques-benveniste.html#comment-11950 Ergo Mon, 14 Jun 2010 08:11:49 +0000 http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2010/06/the-curious-case-of-nativis-the-forsaken-nobel-prize-winner-and-the-ghost-of-jacques-benveniste.html#comment-11950 As far as I read the diagrams, they are not picking up radio noise, they drive the coil with a signal from the computer by means of a power amplifier. The electical part of a dynamic loudspeaker... Maybe we can fight cancer with Mozart? As far as I read the diagrams, they are not picking up radio noise, they drive the coil with a signal from the computer by means of a power amplifier. The electical part of a dynamic loudspeaker…

Maybe we can fight cancer with Mozart?

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