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		<title>By: Perspective</title>
		<link>http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2010/06/why-nhs-homeopathy-must-end.html#comment-12156</link>
		<dc:creator>Perspective</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2010 20:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh dear, I spot a massive overdose of hypocrisy and double standards. That&#039;s what comes from focusing on a negative. 
At least the government have shown some sense on this issue.
The anti-homeopathy brigade have not advanced a single argument against the effectiveness of homeopathy all we get is tabloid style verbiage- mumbo-jumbo, wichcraft, magick potions and so on.

As for my own illness, as you know (but deny to yourself), homeopathy works by stimulating the immune system and when this starts, you get a feeling of well being. This has only occurred on the occasions I have used homeopathy, proving to me that it works. It&#039;s happened several times over the years. Now that effect  never happened with aspirin.

PS, Jules, pregancy is not a disease.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh dear, I spot a massive overdose of hypocrisy and double standards. That&#8217;s what comes from focusing on a negative.<br />
At least the government have shown some sense on this issue.<br />
The anti-homeopathy brigade have not advanced a single argument against the effectiveness of homeopathy all we get is tabloid style verbiage- mumbo-jumbo, wichcraft, magick potions and so on.</p>
<p>As for my own illness, as you know (but deny to yourself), homeopathy works by stimulating the immune system and when this starts, you get a feeling of well being. This has only occurred on the occasions I have used homeopathy, proving to me that it works. It&#8217;s happened several times over the years. Now that effect  never happened with aspirin.</p>
<p>PS, Jules, pregancy is not a disease.</p>
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		<title>By: jules</title>
		<link>http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2010/06/why-nhs-homeopathy-must-end.html#comment-12060</link>
		<dc:creator>jules</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 08:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I,ll believe homeopathy works the day I see a homeopathic birth control pill, that no one gets pregnant on while using it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I,ll believe homeopathy works the day I see a homeopathic birth control pill, that no one gets pregnant on while using it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Le Canard Noir</title>
		<link>http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2010/06/why-nhs-homeopathy-must-end.html#comment-12039</link>
		<dc:creator>Le Canard Noir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jul 2010 21:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No matter what the problems with real medicine, it does not mean that homeopathy works. Homeopathy has to present its case on its own merits. And no matter what, it is still pseudo-scientific gibberish - with practitioners who are dangers to their clients. 

PS You appear to believe the pills worked for you. How do you know it was not just the natural course of your illness and you have &lt;i&gt;post hoc&lt;/i&gt; rationalised your experiences?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No matter what the problems with real medicine, it does not mean that homeopathy works. Homeopathy has to present its case on its own merits. And no matter what, it is still pseudo-scientific gibberish &#8211; with practitioners who are dangers to their clients. </p>
<p>PS You appear to believe the pills worked for you. How do you know it was not just the natural course of your illness and you have <i>post hoc</i> rationalised your experiences?</p>
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		<title>By: Perspective</title>
		<link>http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2010/06/why-nhs-homeopathy-must-end.html#comment-12038</link>
		<dc:creator>Perspective</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jul 2010 19:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Le Canard Noir

OK, costs may not be the main issue for you but what about the 1.5 million people affected?

Here&#039;s another example of the overuse of drugs;

http://www.fftimes.com/node/229972

As for the baby with eczema how do you know what happened in that case? Your comments are presumptions that fit in with your own ideas. You could have equally said &#039;the baby made a full recovery without the risks of side effects from the steroid creams.&#039;

What gets me is the hysteria emanating from the anti-homeopathy brigade. your comments are mild compared with some I have seen.

I have used homeopathic remedies on occasions, on a trial and error basis and found them to be both effective and ineffective. Effective when the correct remedy is used but ineffective when the incorrect remedy is used, suggesting that there are medicinal differences between the sugar pills.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Le Canard Noir</p>
<p>OK, costs may not be the main issue for you but what about the 1.5 million people affected?</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s another example of the overuse of drugs;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.fftimes.com/node/229972" rel="nofollow">http://www.fftimes.com/node/229972</a></p>
<p>As for the baby with eczema how do you know what happened in that case? Your comments are presumptions that fit in with your own ideas. You could have equally said &#8216;the baby made a full recovery without the risks of side effects from the steroid creams.&#8217;</p>
<p>What gets me is the hysteria emanating from the anti-homeopathy brigade. your comments are mild compared with some I have seen.</p>
<p>I have used homeopathic remedies on occasions, on a trial and error basis and found them to be both effective and ineffective. Effective when the correct remedy is used but ineffective when the incorrect remedy is used, suggesting that there are medicinal differences between the sugar pills.</p>
<p>Perspective still needed</p>
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		<title>By: Le Canard Noir</title>
		<link>http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2010/06/why-nhs-homeopathy-must-end.html#comment-12015</link>
		<dc:creator>Le Canard Noir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 21:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perspective - I address this point. Please read my post. Cost is the not the central issue for me. It is that homeopaths cannot keep their own house in order and prevent dangerous beliefs spreading that kill people. The NHS should not be endorsing such stupidity. When homeopaths sort themselves out, then I would no longer object.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perspective &#8211; I address this point. Please read my post. Cost is the not the central issue for me. It is that homeopaths cannot keep their own house in order and prevent dangerous beliefs spreading that kill people. The NHS should not be endorsing such stupidity. When homeopaths sort themselves out, then I would no longer object.</p>
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		<title>By: Perspective</title>
		<link>http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2010/06/why-nhs-homeopathy-must-end.html#comment-12014</link>
		<dc:creator>Perspective</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 21:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have a look at this one:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/ministers-declare-war-on-britains-tranquilliser-crisis-2017933.html

How much is the cost of all this? &#039;£8 billion a year&#039;
How many people affected? &#039;1.5 million&#039;

A bit of perspective is needed</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have a look at this one:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/ministers-declare-war-on-britains-tranquilliser-crisis-2017933.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/ministers-declare-war-on-britains-tranquilliser-crisis-2017933.html</a></p>
<p>How much is the cost of all this? &#8216;£8 billion a year&#8217;<br />
How many people affected? &#8216;1.5 million&#8217;</p>
<p>A bit of perspective is needed</p>
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		<title>By: JimR.</title>
		<link>http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2010/06/why-nhs-homeopathy-must-end.html#comment-11995</link>
		<dc:creator>JimR.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jun 2010 18:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Darryl Cunningham has produced a story strip about homeopathy.

http://darryl-cunningham.blogspot.com/2010/06/homeopathy.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Darryl Cunningham has produced a story strip about homeopathy.</p>
<p><a href="http://darryl-cunningham.blogspot.com/2010/06/homeopathy.html" rel="nofollow">http://darryl-cunningham.blogspot.com/2010/06/homeopathy.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Richard Rawlins</title>
		<link>http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2010/06/why-nhs-homeopathy-must-end.html#comment-11994</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Rawlins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jun 2010 17:19:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We just have!

Richard Rawlins FRCS

Member, Representative Body, BMA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We just have!</p>
<p>Richard Rawlins FRCS</p>
<p>Member, Representative Body, BMA.</p>
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		<title>By: JimR.</title>
		<link>http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2010/06/why-nhs-homeopathy-must-end.html#comment-11989</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jun 2010 14:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Independent reports on the BMA in &quot;Doctors call for total NHS ban on homoeopathy&quot; at:
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/doctors-call-for-total-nhs-ban-on-homoeopathy-2011735.html

This is a &quot;balanced&quot; article with a plea at the end to not ban NHS funding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Independent reports on the BMA in &#8220;Doctors call for total NHS ban on homoeopathy&#8221; at:<br />
<a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/doctors-call-for-total-nhs-ban-on-homoeopathy-2011735.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/doctors-call-for-total-nhs-ban-on-homoeopathy-2011735.html</a></p>
<p>This is a &#8220;balanced&#8221; article with a plea at the end to not ban NHS funding.</p>
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		<title>By: DigitalGoldfish</title>
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		<dc:creator>DigitalGoldfish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jun 2010 10:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I beleive the motion will be read on Wednesday 

http://www.bma.org.uk/images/armagenda2010_tcm41-197493.pdf 
Homeopathy
* 301 Motion by THE AGENDA COMMITTEE: That this Meeting believes that, in the absence of valid
scientific evidence of benefit:
(i) there should be no further commissioning of, nor funding for, homeopathic remedies or
homeopathic hospitals in the NHS;
(ii) no UK training post should include a placement in homeopathy;
(iii) pharmacists and chemists should remove homeopathic remedies from shelves indicating
they are &#039;medicines&#039; of any description, and place them on shelves clearly labelled
&#039;placebos&#039;.
301a Motion by SHROPSHIRE DIVISION: That this Meeting demands that homeopathy should not be funded by
the NHS due to lack of convincing evidence that it is effective. In fact there is recent evidence that it does
not work any better than a placebo and can divert patients away from more evidence based therapy that
they may require.
301b Motion by SCOTTISH COUNCIL: That this Meeting believes that, given the complete lack of valid scientific
evidence of benefit:
(i) homeopathy should no longer be funded by the NHS;
(ii) no UK training post should include a placement in homeopathy.
301c Motion by SOUTH DEVON DIVISION: That this Meeting is concerned to improve patients&#039; fully informed
choice, and calls for those pharmacists and chemists regulated by the Royal Pharmaceutical Society of
Great Britain (or its successor during 2010 - the General Pharmaceutical Council) to remove homeopathic
remedicines from shelves indicating they are &#039;medicines&#039; of any description, and to place them on shelves
clearly labelled &#039;placebos&#039;.
301d Motion by CONFERENCE OF HONORARY SECRETARIES OF BMA DIVISIONS: That this Meeting calls for
there to be no further commissioning of nor funding for homeopathic medicines within or by the NHS
unless or until the National Institute for Clinical Excellence (NICE) determines the cost-effectiveness of such
medicines and sets out guidelines and recommendations for their use in the NHS.
301e Motion by SHROPSHIRE LMC: That this Meeting believes there is insufficient clinical evidence to justify
NHS funding for homeopathy clinics.
301f Motion by NORTHAMPTONSHIRE LMC: That this Meeting requests that homeopathy should be first in line
for NHS cuts in this economic crisis since it is unproven and expensive, and patronage by royalty should not
ensure funding for unproven treatments. Homeopathic hospitals should be paid for and funding for
homeopathic drugs should no longer be available on the NHS.
Contingency time Wednesday 11.05-11.10</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I beleive the motion will be read on Wednesday </p>
<p><a href="http://www.bma.org.uk/images/armagenda2010_tcm41-197493.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.bma.org.uk/images/armagenda2010_tcm41-197493.pdf</a><br />
Homeopathy<br />
* 301 Motion by THE AGENDA COMMITTEE: That this Meeting believes that, in the absence of valid<br />
scientific evidence of benefit:<br />
(i) there should be no further commissioning of, nor funding for, homeopathic remedies or<br />
homeopathic hospitals in the NHS;<br />
(ii) no UK training post should include a placement in homeopathy;<br />
(iii) pharmacists and chemists should remove homeopathic remedies from shelves indicating<br />
they are &#8216;medicines&#8217; of any description, and place them on shelves clearly labelled<br />
&#8216;placebos&#8217;.<br />
301a Motion by SHROPSHIRE DIVISION: That this Meeting demands that homeopathy should not be funded by<br />
the NHS due to lack of convincing evidence that it is effective. In fact there is recent evidence that it does<br />
not work any better than a placebo and can divert patients away from more evidence based therapy that<br />
they may require.<br />
301b Motion by SCOTTISH COUNCIL: That this Meeting believes that, given the complete lack of valid scientific<br />
evidence of benefit:<br />
(i) homeopathy should no longer be funded by the NHS;<br />
(ii) no UK training post should include a placement in homeopathy.<br />
301c Motion by SOUTH DEVON DIVISION: That this Meeting is concerned to improve patients&#8217; fully informed<br />
choice, and calls for those pharmacists and chemists regulated by the Royal Pharmaceutical Society of<br />
Great Britain (or its successor during 2010 &#8211; the General Pharmaceutical Council) to remove homeopathic<br />
remedicines from shelves indicating they are &#8216;medicines&#8217; of any description, and to place them on shelves<br />
clearly labelled &#8216;placebos&#8217;.<br />
301d Motion by CONFERENCE OF HONORARY SECRETARIES OF BMA DIVISIONS: That this Meeting calls for<br />
there to be no further commissioning of nor funding for homeopathic medicines within or by the NHS<br />
unless or until the National Institute for Clinical Excellence (NICE) determines the cost-effectiveness of such<br />
medicines and sets out guidelines and recommendations for their use in the NHS.<br />
301e Motion by SHROPSHIRE LMC: That this Meeting believes there is insufficient clinical evidence to justify<br />
NHS funding for homeopathy clinics.<br />
301f Motion by NORTHAMPTONSHIRE LMC: That this Meeting requests that homeopathy should be first in line<br />
for NHS cuts in this economic crisis since it is unproven and expensive, and patronage by royalty should not<br />
ensure funding for unproven treatments. Homeopathic hospitals should be paid for and funding for<br />
homeopathic drugs should no longer be available on the NHS.<br />
Contingency time Wednesday 11.05-11.10</p>
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