That’s It for Tunbridge Wells Homeopathic Hospital

Some good news indeed. However, I still sense there is considerable unresolved conflict between GPs who prescribe homeopathy under strict GMC regulations and ignorant quacks who are accountable only to loosely defined and poorly enforced ethical codes. I for one would like to see statements from the ARH and SoH condemning homeoprophylaxis in the strong terms that Peter Fisher, the Queens own quack and medical doctor, has done.

Absolutely. If the Quackometer was to have anything as bold as a manifesto regarding homeopathy, it would be to see public funding for homeopathic services cut in favour of more progressive patient support services and to see lay homeopaths practice within the limits of what is reliably known about homeopathy. The former is achievable, the latter not without some sort of outside intervention – e.g. prosecution. This is because lay homeopaths are True Believers and incapable of insight into what they do.

gimpyblog wrote, “I for one would like to see statements from the ARH and SoH condemning homeoprophylaxis in the strong terms that Peter Fisher, the Queens own quack and medical doctor, has done.”

I’d like to see any of them speaking out against the over-the-counter (and therefore non-individualised) homeopathic nostrums on sale in Boots.

It”l be interesting to see how it’s spun in the homeo press.

With the Pulse report that showing that GP prescriptions had just about halved in the last year, The British Homeopathic Assoc spokesperson said “We do know that there is no evidence to show that GPs are shunning homeopathy, nor is there evidence to show patients are not seeking homeopathy due to adverse press coverage” (BBC source)

Homeopaths in evidence-denial shock.

John Cook from BHA said “It is a sad day for patient choice. The PCT decided patients will no longer have the right to treatment that works”.

Really? I would have thought that option was still open to them.

Obviously, the Society of Homeopaths have yet to say anything!

“…spending public money on witchcraft cannot be justified in a modern social healthcare system”
Totally agree. What people spend their own money on is (pretty much) their business. When tax revenue is involved it’s a different matter.

Dr* T’s quote from the British Homeopathic Association spokesperson is hilarious. To claim there is no evidence to show that GPs are shunning homeopathy… in rebuttal to the evidence that GPs are shunning homeopathy is just fantastic. And absolutely typical of homeopaths.

“Obviously, the Society of Homeopaths have yet to say anything!”

Yes, the SoH have been remarkably quiet compared to the fulminating nonsense coming from the ARH and CMA recently. Perhaps they prefer to follow the old saying ‘better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt’ or maybe they hope by not commenting on the future of the profession then those nasty critics will go away.

The Society of Homeopaths do appear to have changed tactics. After last year, when every time they opened their mouths they stuck their foot in it, they must think that it is best to remain quiet.

Their must be some desperation now. The daft and utterly innefectibe HMC21 campaign has postponed its giant march on parliament. After bragging they will get 250,000 signatures they struggled to scrape together 10,000. And I am sure that 10,000 includes a few cats and dogs, cartoon characters and Serbian war criminals.

Well if 66% of patients are against homeopathy on the NHS and we have the usual 10-15% ‘dont know’. Then that must mean 20% want homeopathy on the NHS. This 20% must have all heard now many times the placebo routine. Anyway 20% want homeopathy and this Government goes on about patient choice.
Well this 20% are not getting their ‘placebo’ choice.
Doesnt sound fair to me.

hmc21? Are they even still going? They were a Big Quacka funded front organisation weren’t they? You know when you’re in trouble when the only people who can summon the enthusiasm to support you are those who are financially dependent on you.

John Chemist, grow up. The NHS has limited resources, it is only right that those resources are spent on treatments of proven benefit. Let patients choose between treatments of chosen benefit but not treatments of proven no-benefit.

It is good of you to try to help the proletariate Gimpy.However some of the people out there want to think for themselves. You could all shout Avogadro outside of the Homeopathic Pharmacies- In fact you could shout Avocado- It would not matter to most of the punters.
Just like shouting ‘Darwin’ outside a church would make no difference.
If you get off on reducing the NHS homeopathic budget from the present homeopathic proportions of 0.0?something% to nil then fine.
20% of the population deserve at least 0.0? something%. Nothing too unfair about that?

“20% of the population deserve at least 0.0? something%. Nothing too unfair about that?”

It’s unfair to the 80% who want their money spent on something that actually works rather than an expensive vial of water, isn’t it?

Patient choice doesn’t mean that they are allowed to choose any treatment they want. Could a patient with a headache demand trepanning as a treatment?

The NHS, being publicly funded, should be obliged to provide those treatments that can be shown to work. Homeopathy fails this.

Oh, and they still get the placebo effect with conventional treatments PLUS the actual effect on top.

I noticed the Gov email petition for NHS funding for homeopathy to be stopped has got 844 names.
Save the London Homeopathic hospital got 7439 names. Still there are 3 weeks to go for you to spin that around.
To show you where the publics priority really lies the petition for the Red arrows at the 2012 Olympics has got 454000 names.
A petition to stop the proposed move of the Type archive has got 810 names and closes in Jan. This cause is comparable to yours in terms of its popularity.
Your campaign is punching well above its weight.

Chemist John – the provision of homeopathy on the NHS is not a beauty or popularity contest. It is about doing what is right. And it is not right to have witchcraft-based hospitals in the 21st Century.

You are entiled to your opinion Black Duck but I and I think most people would say that homeopathy isnt witchcraft. However please waddle your way to a website that I am sure you know well.
http://clinicalevidence.bmj.com
where you may see that the microscope needs to focus more on the other 99.995% of medicnes. Among all the wonder drugs there are loads of unproven ones in that lot.
PJonline is also interesting at the moment – another piece on how popular homeopathy is with patients. Check out the online petition as well- 42% of Pharmacists must be witches-Maybe loads will be selling pumpkins this Oct.

Chemist John –

“If you get off on reducing the NHS homeopathic budget from the present homeopathic proportions of 0.0?something% to nil then fine.”

Surely, reducing the proportion of the NHS budget spent on homeopathy to nil will maximise its effect. What are you complaining about?

Suomynona-Sounds at first like a fair comment- Consider the following though.
Most of the 750 patients at this Tunbridge Wells homeopathic clinic(not hospital) would be known as TEETH patients- Tried everything else try homeopathy.
Many would have been referred as they cant afford private homeopathic treatment.
How many of these 750 will now go back on the rounds again with chronic non life threatening conditions having more treatments and drugs that obviously didnt help in the first place. I confidently predict that this will cost the NHS far more than 200K.

The £200k is just for the treatments. Not the cost of the building and staff.

Spending 200k on water is a waste of money.

Glad to see you admit that all Homeopathy is suitable for is as a dumping ground for hypochondriacs. But even hypochondriacs deserve better.

i think some of these comments are really narrow minded.
have you tried homeopathic remedies?
it is far from withcraft
i think that more hospitals and gp's should give the option.
and for you to just shun the idea without acknowledging it properly is ridiculous.

Not all GPs are fans of pseudoscience and those that profess to be scientists should stand up for themselves more often. I do my utmost to protect patients from Quacks, reserving special contempt for Chiropractors and Homoeopaths.

The modern world is awash with bullshit, and at least we can try and keep patients safe from it when they are at their most vulnerable.

DM – Scientist and GP, Reading, Berkshire.

So how many other homeopathic hospitals are still being funded – there is one in Bristol and the Royal London one… any others? This certainly does seem like a waste of taxpayers' money